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Magnetic therapy -nikken products

Warrick wrote on the 31 January 2003

Can anyone tell me how reliable and appropriate it is to use Nikken Products, even though they are not willing to make any medical clams about the benifits of their prouduct. Con or not?

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Katie responded on the 19 April 2003

They are an ethical company, they won't make medical claims because they are not medically proven in THIS country, just the same as any alternative therapy that's available, you can't make a calim that hasn't gone through years of research with the products being unavailable (just like the problem they're now having with herbal remedies, that also can't make medical claims). I've had good results and know others have too. GO for it.

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mary responded on the 23 April 2003

Hi, I have never heard of Nikken products until now. I do know that magnotherapy works in a lot of cases, I distribute for Ecoflow plc,a British company, they do reasonably priced hi spec magnetic products for people and animals, using a patented 'central reverse polarity' system which gives a pulsed magnetic effect that mimics electromagnetic treatments. We too cannot make any medical claims but what we can say is that we have over a million satisfied customers and give a 90 day money back gaurentee (less 15%) which means you can use the products for 3 months, not bad! They also do magnets, using the same principles, that conditions fuel prior to combustion, and gives a hotter and more complete combustion hench good savings on central heating bills and fuel for the car.

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biomagnetics responded on the 25 May 2003

It is my understanding that Nikken sell all bipolar (quadrapolar) magnets. Bipolar magnets are dangerous to use because they can stimulate cancer and microorganism growth within the body. If a person with cancer sleeps on a bipolar mattress pad they can expect to see accelerated cancer growth. The worlds leading medical magnetic research authority Dr. William H. Philpott visited the Nikken headquarters and pleaded with management to stop selling dangerous bipolar magnets. He explained to them the importance of polarity, and why it is important to apply only the negative (NORTH) magnetic of proper unipole biomagnets to the body. They promptly had security remove him from the premesis.

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Steve responded on the 25 May 2003

Magnets with only one pole do not exist. It's a bit like not having a south pole - it's impossible!!!

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Peter responded on the 24 September 2003

I write for all Dutch new age magazines. For one of them I do research on Nikken magnets. Who heard of the grow of cancers after using bipolair magnets? Is that bogus or is it serious? Is there any alternative for Nikken? Competition is always a stimulance in the market. Please responds to peterdenharing@hetnet.nl

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Tim responded on the 27 January 2004

I have been currious about the Nikken Line of products for a while now. I am a massage therapist and wonder about using them to help my clints with their problems. My thought is, yes the magnetic effect may stimulate cancer. But how specific is this? For example if I want to treat a wrist problem and the cancer is breast cancer. Would the magnetic effect at the wrist actually reach and adversely effect the cancer in the chest area? If a person lies on a bed that would ofcourse effect the whole body. So are we discrediting a good and functional thing by beeing too general with the magnetic bed concept.

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Elmarie responded on the 11 March 2004

I am a physical therapist that has used a Nikken massager on some of my patients in a nursing home with really mindblowing effects in minutes! You comments about cancer is a concern to me and I wanted to know if you can recommend any literature to prove this statement or explain this possibility? I wanted to order some od their products but can not seem to find the website. Can you help?

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Chill Man responded on the 16 March 2004

Hi... I can help find or order Nikken Products... I'm a Nikken consultant myself... you can email me back and we could discuss it... Have a nice day ... Email removed, this forum cannot be used to promote/sell commercial products of dubious origin. - Webmaster

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Lewis responded on the 21 March 2004

yes I too would be most interested to hear if there is any substance to the bi-polar/cancer claim made earlier.. I recently bought their water filter, which gives really nice water. I tried their magnetic sleep pad for a week and found it to be extremely good for deeper more relaxed sleep so I am thinking of ordering one.. so I would like to first know if the above is fake or true many thanks in advance

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Amanda responded on the 26 March 2004

I presume the term 'bipolar' magnets mean two magnets, one with north and one with south pointing at the body. Does anyone know if this is true? Obviously there's some discussion of bipolar or unipolar magnets being more effective/safer. I read about one piece of research where magnets were hung over people's heads. Men were affected positively if the north pole hung downwards. Women were affected positively if the south pole hung downwards. Wonder if that means I should wear my north facing bracelet the other way round?

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Andrea responded on the 10 April 2004

Part One of Two Since the north polarity has a negative charge, taping the north side of a magnet to your skin can sedate the buildup of positive energy in your cells. This calms you. The north side is also generally the stronger healing force. Its tendency is to keep bringing us back into balance. It provides a restful, restorative energy and is associated with taking away pain, swelling, and infections, lowering blood pressure, and inhibiting tumor growth. It is also used in the treatment of sprains, broken bones, arthritis, and toothaches.

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Andrea responded on the 10 April 2004

Part Two of Two THE SOUTH SIDE OF A MAGNET makes things grow. For better or worse, it activates, stimulates, and increases = whether blood circulation or cancer. For this reason it is trickier to work with the south side of a magnet. You don't know what you may be activating. The south side will stimulate and amplify energies, disperse fluids, and increase blood flow. Because of its effect on the production of insulin, THE SOUTH SIDE of a magnet SHOULD NOT be placed on someone who is DIABETIC. I generally limit my use of the south side to working with burns, broken bones, sprains, and blood clots, or to create a close circuit in conjunction with the north side.Taken from Energy Medicine by Donna Eden.

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KB responded on the 10 April 2004

I am sorry to say that there is something off about the claims being made. An electrical charge can affect bruises, sprains etc (NOT broken bones though!) As for small magnets well I have my doubts, the effect could just as easily cause damage - remember mobile phones and the cancer risks - well maybe magnets can also pose a risk. A controlled electrical charge can have an effect - either good or bad - an uncontrolled magnet - no way - of course this is just my opinion based on electrical charge stimulation of tissue damage.

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Anthony responded on the 11 April 2004

From my 1 year plus involvement with Nikken, I can tell you from first hand experience that the magnetic products do work - and people have had amazing results. And yes, they have helped to facilitate the faster healing of broken bones. It may be that magnets much stronger than those used by Nikken may possibly have some risk associated with their use - Nikken's magnets do not. I believe that if there was any basis to these claims, then someone, at some time, in the 14 years Nikken has been active in the USA, (if not in the whole 29 years of Nikken's life) would have attempted to sue Nikken - litigation is a national pasttime in the USA. As far as I know - there has never been any such litigation. (to be continued ....)

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Anthony responded on the 11 April 2004

(continuing ...) Nikken's products - and not just the magnetic ones - also the FIR (Far Infra Red) products - supply energy to the body - thus strengthening the body at the cellular level. When the body is stronger, it is better able to cope with health challenges, etc. The extra energy aslo helps to relax the body and reduce stress - both leading, when used at night, to deeper, more restfull and thus more recuperative sleep - and quality sleep is the basis of good health. After a previous entry here - the webmaster removed an e-mail address saying that these products are of "dubious origin". I beg to disagree. (to be continued ...)

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Anthony responded on the 11 April 2004

(continuing ...) Nearly 40 million customers around the world, approx $2bn in sales in 2003, use by thousands of doctors and health care practitioners, and now independent clinical studies - not to exclude thousands of testimonials - would refute a "dubious" label from these products. So many people with health challenges have greatly benefited - I strongly recommend anyone who is open to look at these products. Please note, though, that Nikken's products are not medical - and we do not claim to cure or heal. Best Wishes Anthony Mass-Ader

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KB responded on the 11 April 2004

I came back to this forum as I had responded to another post about these magnets. I am astounded that someone who seems to be selling them and refers to WE when talking about them as healing aids and then says they are not medical! A biased opinion, obviously either from someone who is part of the company or is pyramid selling. I feel this is an obvious scam - Who are the manufactures and what do they claim - not testimonials but real claims from the manufacturers! Hec I could start selling pebbles and with a little imagination…

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Andrea responded on the 11 April 2004

http://www.digital-doc.com/magnet.htm and Energy Medicine by Donna Eden lists very useful information on 'How to Mend a Broken Arm or Leg' with magnets. Great stuff.

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Andrea responded on the 11 April 2004

Just to be clear I was not linking Nikken with faciltating bone healing.

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Anthony responded on the 12 April 2004

Hello KM, Well, you certainly are sure of your opinions! Good luck selling pebbles! Biased - yes - because of what I have seen and experienced. A scam - hardly - ask world class and olympic athletes who use the products, never mind people with health problems who have benefited. If you want to find out information - try making a search of the internet. As I said before, Nikken does not make any medical or theraputic claims - the products do not heal or cure - they help the body to do that. Anthony

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KB responded on the 12 April 2004

I visited http://www.digital-doc... and have seen NO PUBLISHED research, no evidence and absolutely nothing that even tempts me to consider this as anything but a scam. No response to pyramid selling question and perhaps more importantly... If the manufacturers and distributors make NO CLAIMS about the so called product then what are they selling? If multi million business then where is he research, what is it they claim to sell? I hold my view it is a scam derived by greed and ignorance which has attached itself to genuine holistic health care.

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Jake responded on the 19 April 2004

I just came across this site by accident and just have to add my two-pennyworth! I have no commercial interest in magnets - although for 3 years I sold Bioflow magnets. Nikken has been in business for years and sells similar products. In my time with Ecoflow (Bioflow), I sold hundreds of magnets to people with all sorts of complaints. Some had no effect (and those customers got a refund) but a huge number of people and pets were helped. Just one example - a customer who was only in her 30s but had such bad migraines that she had to inject herself twice a week. Once she started to wear a magnetic wristband the migraines started to disappear and within a couple of months she never had another. Her doctor was so impressed that he started recommending them to other customers. to be continued..

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jake responded on the 19 April 2004

We also had great success with pets, particularly dogs and horses. Sometimes the product was bought for one problem but it helped another! As for "pyramid selling" - I suggest you do some investigation into what that means. Anyone who thinks that multi-level selling is the same as pyramid selling is totally ignorant of an important form of marketing - used by such companies as Avon, Disney, Coca Cola, Remington and many other bluechips. Please do your homework before you make wild accusations

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David responded on the 10 May 2004

The "magnetic technology" and "far infrared technology" being sold by Nikken, and others is nothing more than snake-oil. I have been investigating this organization because a friend of mine is wrapped up in the cult like Nikken "family" and I see her relationships with everyone around her, including me, changing for the worse, when we don't buy into the Nikken "wellness" and "get rich easy" scheme. Nikken has been nabbed in the past by the FTC and FDA in the U.S., yet continues to prosper due to poor regulations. I feel very bad for all well-meaning people who are distributors for this company. Want some info? Check out: http://www.quackwatch.com http://www.healthquarterly.com/winter_2003/default.asp?filename=page30&adfile=ads11 http://www.chem1.com/CQ/magscams.html

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Kim responded on the 15 May 2004

I know two people in the UK who started to sell these, they found it very unethical and stopped.

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Bruce responded on the 25 May 2004

Nikken products are energy based, which is to say that one of the things they do is to provide more oxygen to the body or area of the body. More oxygen means less toxins. Less toxins means less disease. Cancer & other problems with the body cannot tolerate alot of oxygen. Those that doubt this may want to check out Nobel Prizes awarded in Medicine (2003, 2000, 1999, '94, '91, '74, '63, '62, '58, '44, '36, '32, '30, '22, '20, '10, '06) and Physicis (1994, '91, '89, '87, '79, '77, '75, '62, '57, '54, '52, '44, '43, '25, '24, '23, '22, '02). Nikken magnets are of a equal triangular pattern protected by international patent. Everything is a scam when you do not beleive in it.

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Helen responded on the 25 May 2004

What have these Nobel Prizes to do with Magnets worn on human or animal body and HOW does a magnet provide more oxygen to the body - if it speeds up metabolism then it would encourage cancer not discourage it?

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French responded on the 18 August 2004

Hi, It's not proper business ethic to make medical claims about Nikken's products but there are some independent studies and peer reviews about the health benefits of Magnet Therapy from Dr.Weintraub about Nikken's products. Please go to my sites to read and print some of the research. Site: Dr.Weintraub http://provenmedias.com/Magnet/Dr.Weintraub.html http://provenmedias.com Thanks, French Montreville Nikken Products http://www.fivepillars.cmo/provenmedias

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Fench responded on the 18 August 2004

Hi, Please do not merely make emotional comments when there are actual research to help us to understand the health benefits of our products. Please copy the entire links to a new browser to read and to print the docs. "Mistakes are part of the dues one pays for a full life." *Sophia Loren {Italian Actress} 1: Biomagnetics The Science , http://provenmedias.com/Magnet/research/Biomagnetics%20The%20Science.doc 2: Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies on the Effects of Magnetics on Physical Ailments:, http://provenmedias.com/Magnet/research/Peer-Reviewed%20Scientific%20Studies%20on%20the%20Effects%20of%20Magnetics%20on%20Physical%20Ailments.doc Thanks, French Montreville Integraded Wellness Medias

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

I find it hard to beleave that you only went to one place to find info on magnetic studies, if you go to google and put in medical magnetic studies i'm sure you will have no problem finding all the info that proves magnetics work. Put a little more effort into finding the truth it may one day help you.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

If I sold you tennis shoes under the impression that you could one day play perfesional basketball would it bother you to find your self working at McDonalds the next twenty years, would that not be the real scam every shoe company claims that you will be a great basketball player if you buy their tennis shoes and I don't see you making a big deal about them. (Nike, Puma,) I could go on for days with companies who make wild claims and I'm sure you will sit there defending them, because they have spent millons to win you over. The reason a company like Nikken can and will not make any medical claims is because they manafacture products to help people not to cure them if by chance someone feels better then that is wounderful and to have you or anyone treat that persons relief as false and not genuine is insulting.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

I'm sure when your parents and teachers taught you stuff you probaly went on line and could not find any facts to their claim that the sky is blue or the earth is round so you spend most of your time disproving all these great facts. you and most of the people are very ignerant to the facts so spend some time away from the TV and read a book.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

I can see why your friend has decided to find new friends you are a ignorant person, I'm sure it's not your fault it's probaly was your upbringing. I went to quackwatch and could find no reference to Nikken positive or negative. I did see reference to many other companies that sold magnetic products. I tried to go to the other sights you mentioned and was not able, one sight was in a foreign language I was not able to read and the other kept telling me it was not found. So I don't see why you are so negative towards your friend, maybe if you were more open minded tried to find more info ( gooogle search medical magnetic studies)I'm sure you will find plenty of magnetic studies to help you figure out why your friend is so excited, you might beable to save a friendship if you care.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

If Nikken products was causing cancer in humans the FDA would shut them down theris no refreance that i have seen that Nikken products cause any harm to any one I have be surching the net and have found many posative studies and some negative one. the only diferance is all the negative studies show little or no info on what type of magnets they used or what guass rate they used and how they did the study.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

I use and sell Nikken products I do not make any claims nor do I tell people that it is a cure all, so I suggest you find a computer and see what you can find out for yourself quit listening to all these know it alls. If your concern is did you do some great harm to your patents there is no side effects from magnets other wise we would find it hard to live on planet earth witch is a huge magnet with a North and south poles. do your research and you should be ok.

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poetmissing responded on the 18 August 2004

Have you tried a magnet to help with any pains you may be having, if you have not then you don't know what it could do, I know it has helped many people I personally have seen it with my own eyes check it out it may surprise you.

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mozzolb responded on the 10 September 2004

I have tried Nikken products some work and some don't in fact the mattress is causing me more pain and that is not a good thing .....

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Linda responded on the 23 September 2004

I was using Nikken mattress and comforter, hoping it would help my Firomyalgia but it did no such thing . I still was in great pain for a month so I stopped . And Nikken does not give you your money back , so I'm stuck with theses items ....I will no longer buy big ticket items fom Nikken or bipolar magnets ....far infared Helps my Firo

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Charles responded on the 07 October 2004

Philpott is not the worlds leading researcher in biomagnetics. The late Albert Roy Davis, and Walter C. Rawls are the true pioneers. Mr. Davis discovered in 1936, that magnetism is two separate energies, not one. And yes, the south pole energy is dangerous. This message is for everyone.

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David responded on the 25 October 2004

This is an interesting thread! I was researching new stuff about magnetic therapy when I found it. I'm in the UK, where Ecoflow plc's Bioflow alternating flux CRP magnet technology mimics the well-established electromagnetic technology widely used in hospitals - you'll have noticed that an earlier respondent sold them. They work! For limited but common pain problems the results are clear and repeatable.

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David responded on the 25 October 2004

I should mention that after I discovered these magnets I was very skeptical, but I was shown the medical evidence for alternating flux therapy and I couldn't believe it - over 300 papers by respected scientists, 90% of which found benefits and only 2% found no effect or suggested problems could occur. The most recent literature and forum threads (by sports injury doctors) tend to discuss the exact ways to get best results, not whether it works. As a result, I joined Ecoflow as a distributor last year (a retirement hobby) and out of over 200 Bioflow products I've sold, only 4 customers reported no benefits. I call them regularly for referrals, so I know!

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David responded on the 25 October 2004

Nikken is a huge conglomerate, so the biomagnetic product market is peanuts to them. I can imagine that even a world-class expert in such a minor speciality wouldn't impress them without an appointment and prior paper evidence. They can make magnet stuff without much evidence, just because it sells. So should you buy Nikken? Well, maybe it depends on the exact product. The medical research points to low-power magnets (say, up to 2000 gauss) being effective mainly for skin lesion healing, such as with leg ulcers.

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David responded on the 25 October 2004

For arthritis, back pain, etc., the medical trials suggest that a strong field is needed, of several hundred gauss in the point of action - that's at least 20,000 gauss at the magnet surface. A rapidly-changing flux is very desirable, too (swapping the N-S poles 3-25 times a second). So you should look for very high power, probably Neodymium or Samarium Cobalt magnets, and a flux-changing system. This is what research shows, anyway. You'll have probably guessed that Bioflow can do this - or I wouldn't want to be involved with them - but there are some other systems that try to get round the Bioflow patent. Look out for these, and DO ask for a money-back guarantee. How sure is a company that it's products work well, if it can't stand the odd return from a few customers?

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Charles responded on the 16 November 2004

Look up Albert Roy Davis on a good search engine. You can find the Albert Roy Davis Reseach Laboratory website and other sites praising their work. Any product, whether it's an electromagnet or a static magnet, that exposes the body to south pole energy is dangerous. No one has more scientific research to back up their claims than Davis and Rawls. Some folks in the U.S. government (including former Presidents) have been supporters of their work, as well as world renowned scientists.

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FR responded on the 16 November 2004

This is all nonsense.

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D-Man responded on the 10 January 2005

Many of you touting the benefits of magnets need to familiarize your self with the word "Placebo." Look it up in your dictionary. also quackwatch does have an article on magnetic therapy http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/magnet.html

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D-Man responded on the 10 January 2005

Here is an article in Health Quarterly that warns of magnetic therapy claims and cites Nikken products specifically. It was posted before, but its a goodin. :) http://www.healthquarterly.com/winter_2003/default.asp?filename=page30&adfile=ads11 Have you looked up the word "Placebo" yet?

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Dan responded on the 14 January 2005

Why would you direct people to Quackwatch.org. After all that is what they are....and hold merely opinions, no scientific, plausable medical reviews to anything! Good reference! PLACEBO n. pl. pla·ce·bos or pla·ce·boes 1.A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well. 2.An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug. 3.Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another Well lets see..... I do not see this fitting in 1. as magnets are not a medicine. Neither does it fit in 2. as magnets are active substances. Nor does it fit in 3. as magnets hold intrinsic value as they are active....good referral!! Practically all the scientific evidence for Nikken, from Japan and thus documented in Japanese may be availabe on the web if we could understand this.

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Paul responded on the 17 January 2005

Dan, you are forgetting that a placebo test would be a bracelet or whatever without magnets. The problem most people have with this is that whilst manufacturers will not state any health benefits they encourage the implications of benefit - why else are they manufactured. Yet there is no conventionally verifiable study saying good things about them. This is not to say they do not work it is to say we do not know. Many medical studies inc placebo based ones (where patients have not known) have shown that numerious aids and medical treatments work INCLUDING working where a placebo is used. Which shows up the placebo effect well. NO SUCH TEST HAS BEEN DONE WITH MAGNETS like Nikken type products. To claim the evidance is not available because it’s simply a translation issue seems very naive to say the least and downright missleading in my view.

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Adriaan responded on the 27 January 2005

The company has been around for 25 years. How come I am having so much difficulty finding ANY kind of medical studies? 25 years is enough time to have some kind of test results.

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Marla responded on the 25 February 2005

I am sorry to hear that the magnetic products did not help you heal from fibromyalgia. And yet I would like to try these products for my back pain and spinal nerve compression. Would you be interested in selling them to me? What size is your mattress? please contact me

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Two responded on the 05 April 2005

I read thru all of the msgs &wonder 2myself if any of the people speaking here Rin any form of pain? When UR in so muchpain that U cannot get out of bed as a normalperson, but must crawl 2a counter of the bathroom 2stand up straight? When u have takn pills&pills &more pills only 2find that none of them work? When u can't stand the pain any more so that little bit more$ 4somethng that might work u will try? U will try anythng 2help u? I went 2a Nikken meeting 2night &came online 2research . I don't care if it has case studies 2substantiate their claims. I don't care if it is expensive (so are all the prescription drugs I've tried.) I do care that I want 2b able 2walk up straight, 2not cry because of pain. I am going 2try it. I ... at this point will try almost anything. And u know what? If it works...it's well worth the money. If it doesn't it goes in the trash along w/all the prescriptions that R making major headline news.

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Jenna responded on the 05 May 2005

I'm proud of all you Nikken distributors and even the skeptics who have all done your research. That's more than most people can say. I just wanted to do a quick summary of my view on all of this: As far as I know, the FDA told Nikken that they could "go play with their magnets" as long as they didn't hurt anybody or make medical claims. They went to extreme lengths to make sure that no claims were made. In some states and Canada (I am told) they can't even say the word 'magnet' because that is what they have been told by their gov. Ask any decent Nikken distributor and they will tell you that they can't say the word pain when referring to Nikken. As to the post above, that is why people are involved with Nikken. They care that there are people in the world who hurt so badly every day and they want to help, not hurt. (To be continued...)

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Jenna responded on the 05 May 2005

Think of it like this: the earth is a magnet, we learned that in 7th grade science class. When we sit at our computers, and hold our cellphones, and sit in our concrete and steel buildings, that drains our bodies of the energy that we need, the energy of the earth. Go outside, you'll feel better! The Japanese are very smart, much smarter than the rest of us if I do say, and they want to capture that energy that the earth gives us so that we may have it all the time. When we sleep is when our bodies restore themsevles. The Nikken sleep system is designed to help our body restore itself. Think of a cast on an arm. What does it do to heal the broken arm? The answer is: Nothing. The cast simply holds the arm in a state so that the body can heal itself. We are wonderful machines, after all. (to be continued...)

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Jenna responded on the 05 May 2005

Some people do, in fact, feel worse after using these products. Think of pain like a staircase. Getting worse is like going up that staircase, stepping on every stair. In order to get better, you have to come down that staircase, and in some cases, it will feel worse for a little while. But the products aren't causing that, it is just the natural process of your body healing itself with the help of the products, designed just like the earth we live on. If you've ever been to a chiropracter, you know that sometimes they will advise you to drink lots of water after your adjustment. This is because they have just released a lot of toxins into your system and you need to flush them out. Nikken products can do the same thing, so when using them always drink lots of water! (Preferrably Pi water ;)...) (....)

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Jenna responded on the 05 May 2005

Still skeptical? It may surprise you to know that I am only 20 years old. I have seen Nikken work miracles in people's lives for 7 years (and no, that's not a medical claim!) In Japan, Nikken is a household name. If you walk into the pharmacy for a headache, the pharmacist will hand you a magnet. They waited years to introduce any of this to the US, and even then they started with California. They know that we're skeptics, but now that the world is turning to alternative methods, Nikken is on target to turn into the next trillion dollar industry. I suggest reading Paul Zne Pilzer's book on that, if you want to know more about why Nikken is such a thriving business. I'm sorry that this is so long, but I really just hate to see people remain in the dark about things that can help them. And to address the person who posted the message above mine, I'm proud of you for checking out Nikken. I hope that you will find the relief that you need. Be well all!

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No proof? responded on the 12 May 2005

If you doubt that magnet therapy is a true therapy, do a search on www.google.com and type "University studies on magnet therapy". You will find several studies that show without question that magnet therapy really does work, but their are hundreds of studies over the last fifty years that can't be found on the web. The Soviets have done a lot of their own research. They call it Magnetobiology. They've used magnetized water in their hospitals for many years, but most of them use both poles of the magnet. "The Magnetic Blueprint of Life", by Albert Roy Davis and Walter C. Rawls, lists over one hundred studies in the back of the book. There are other books on the subject that have many studies in them too. Updated 16/07/2005 07:48:40

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no proof? responded on the 13 May 2005

When reading about experiments that didn't show any significant effect using magnets, see if they mention the polarity (you MUST use the north pole for consistent, long term results), the strength of the magnet (should usually be between about 1000-4500 gauss), and how long and how often the magnet was used. All of the negative results that I've read neglect to mention one or more of these important factors. South pole magnetism increases growth indiscriminately. The research of Davis and Rawls proves it. Many scientists and doctors have reproduced a number of their experiments. South pole energy makes your body more acidic. It will cause infections, bacteria or cancer to grow faster. Those who say it doesn't don't know what they're talking about. It is a scientific fact. Davis and Rawls used the North pole of a 3000 gauss magnet in their research to dramatically reduce of eliminate cancer in hundreds of animals in their lab. They wrote about these and other amazing experiments in "Magnetism and Its Effects on the Living System", their first book. Benefits from bipolar magnets will not last over a long period of time. They will ultimately do more harm than good. , Updated 16/07/2005 04:12:19, Updated 16/07/2005 04:52:25, Updated 16/07/2005 07:55:05

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Sharon responded on the 16 May 2005

Thanks for bringing some sanity into this discussion! My Mom gave me a pair of Nikken insoles 3 years ago and since then I don't have any daytime tiredness. I stopped yawning all day long. The products may have some unpleasant effects while starting out but will improve with time. My feet felt like they were on fire for at least a week but the increased energy made me endure it. No one told me this could happen and it was in my pre-Internet days so I couldn't research the topic right away. I later bought the sleep system and it took several weeks to eliminate my 36 years of insomnia. I am so happy about it!

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Sharon responded on the 16 May 2005

The truth about Quackwatch from the California court system: I have found hundreds of flaws on the biased quackwatch site. The majority of therapies are accepted in most of the world, just not in one of the unhealthiest nations, America. Years of living in Germany showed me that many medical doctors do practice things such as homeopathy, herbal medicine, ozone therapy, etc and are paid by the insurance companies. There are several hospitals I know of that use Nikken products in North America as well as many chiropractors and medical doctors.

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lucille responded on the 20 May 2005

How do we know it is safe i have been sleeping on a nikken pillow for years chronic neck pain for overall it has made me feel better most of the time but this cancer scare makes very nervous

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Paul responded on the 20 May 2005

So Sharon can you name them... "I have found hundreds of flaws on the biased quackwatch site". "There are several hospitals I know of that use Nikken products in North America..." Or are your words just hear say and misleading? Updated 27/06/2005 12:29:52

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Jenna responded on the 20 May 2005

Lucille, if you're worried about magnets causing cancer, don't be! There is no way that a magnet can cause cancer. In fact, there have been testimonials of people (and animals!) whose harmful cells have been destroyed or greatly reduced just by drinking Nikken pi-mag water. Remember, bad cells cannot live where there is a high concentration of oxygen!

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Fernando responded on the 25 May 2005

I'm very interested to know about the use and consequences of the Niken products. I tried to search scientific information about the Magnetics and Far IR effects over the human body and Nikken don't offer trusted proved scientific information. Here there are information about a fraud of Nikken water system, but considering that it is a commercial competition. Http://www.aquatechnology.net/Piwater.html About the Bio - Electromagnetics European Bioelectromagnetics Association: http://www.ebea.org/ or Bioelectromagnetics Society: http://www.bioelectromagnetics.org/ For the last one, taking in account that Nikken gives them a grant for $10.000 anually for five years. That’s weird!… http://www.bioelectromagnetics.org/newsletter/news180.pdf I'm very interested to know the real benefits of Nikken products. I know a lot of good testimonials about Nikken too, but we need scientific and proved information for health. Nobody wants a cancer or something like that!

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Fernando responded on the 26 May 2005

A new articles to compare: Against Nikken http://healthquarterly.com/winter_2003/default.asp?filename=page30&adfile=ads11 Pro Nikken http://www2.archives-pmr.org/scripts/om.dll/serve?action=searchDB&searchDBfor=art&artType=abs&id=as0003999303001060&nav=abs&special=hilite&query=%5Ball_fields%5D%28nikken%2C%29 Copy and paste this URL in your browser. If you cannot open it, In this link. http://www.archives-pmr.org in the option search, put "nikken"

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Orion responded on the 26 May 2005

This is all nonsense, the web sites listed in various posts all have one thing in common, NONE OF IT IS SCIENCE. It's all subjective. From the number of posts here it is clear that those in favour are trying to confuse everyone. If they worked there would be clear evidence from trials. There is none because its nonsense.

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Adriana responded on the 22 June 2005

Hi! I am a Nikken distribuitor since 1993 in México City. I want to tell you that in this more than 10 years I am proving every day this wonderfull products. They really work. I am the first prove of this. I have several circulation problems since I had 17 years, (now I have 44) and in just 4 days the problem stopped with the magnetic magsteps. I can share with you if you are interested, some cientific testimonials about the magnetic and infrared technology, and the Pimag WATER, ITS INCREDIBLE!!!!

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Someone responded on the 08 July 2005

I am not a magnet user. But, I have a relatie who is a distributer for Nikken making very good money. She convinced her mother also to use these products. Her whole household is full of Nikkne's products, including mattress, soles, shower head and bottle to make magnetic water. She now has cancer. She is always healthy and went through yearly physical ihncluding colonoscopy. Her oncology urged her not to use any magnetic products when she's under kemo therapy. I am not discrediting Nikken. But, I seriously hope they can perform in depth scientific reseraches to prove there are no negative effects such as accelerating cancer.

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Jenna responded on the 14 July 2005

That's purely a coincidence. How many people get cancer these days who are trying several new things at once? Who's to say that they should stop everything and only adhere to Western medicine? The fact is, there is proof that magnets and certain Nikken products can help reduce the malignity of harmful cells. And if it helps, it certainly can't hurt. Remember, the earth, our home, is a magnet. If magnets caused cancer, we'd all be dead.

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BB responded on the 14 July 2005

Jenna, where is the proof you mention?

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Jenna responded on the 20 July 2005

There are a few sites that explain things very well. These first few are more articles than medical proof. http://www.energyforlife.ca/WhyPEMF.htm http://www.therionresearch.com/database.html THERION RESEARCH http://www.5pillars.com/magneticresearch.cfm Nikken 5 PILLARS The reason that there are so few medical studies is because it is realativly new in our Western culture. The FDA has also found no need to approve products because there is no danger of causing harm. If they decided to do their research, we would have more definitive proof. The Weintraub study is one that you will see often. For the abstract and full text of the Weintraub study, go to : http://www.archives-pmr.org This is a good place to start, I'll be posting more!

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Plunge responded on the 23 July 2005

That's a joke right? Magnet therapy in the US goes back well over 100 years. Plenty of time to do some studies I would think... As other's have said, all modern research has shown is that you have a placebo effect in place. You anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but it falls apart under true scientific examination.

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BB responded on the 23 July 2005

Well Jenna, I asked where the proof was and you simply offer anecdotal evidence. Again where is the proof so many hint at. As said above the placebo effect IS very powerful and perhaps it is this alone that helps many people get beyond what is ultimately psychological or mind over matter.

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Jenna responded on the 26 July 2005

True medical studies, that I believe you are looking for, as I said are rare. Re-read my reasonings, if you will. The Weintraub study IS a medical study, however, and a double blind. There's your real proof, if only for one product. Why hasn't anyone recorded their evidence? That is a good question. A better question that I would like to ask is have any of you tried these products? That is where the proof that you need lies. And finally, are you asking for evidence because you are curious? In pain? Looking for help? Or are you merely trying to provoke those who firmly believe that the knowledge they have can help people?

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Obi-Wan responded on the 26 July 2005

The proof is in the heavens, in what holds the earth in position, and makes a 24 hour day. Prove to me God exists.

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jorge responded on the 30 July 2005

adriana..soy de monterrey ..contactame..para conocer mas de esos productos magneticos que se venden en mexico...y en efecto...esos productos tienen algo de maravilloso..

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Costi responded on the 05 August 2005

Hi .... I'm a future Nikken distributor and I want to convince myself first of the benefits of the products. So if you can give me any materials (testimonials, studies, etc ... I refer to the 44 person from Mexico City) please send me an e-mail. I mention that, before making money (I hope), I do want to be sure I don't make them loose money for nothing. In order to convince myself I need as much information as you can provide me. Thanks a lot.

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Victor responded on the 07 August 2005

I was just introduced to Nikken three days ago, so ever since then I have been scouring then internet, books, doctors, and random people for more information. I too, am only 20 years old. At that age at least for me, means finding a career to get into that yields a high income and that I can be proud to be apart of. I also am a very big skeptic and ask as many questions as I can. As I was doing my research I stubled across this forum. It has answered alot of my questions. I have read all 22 pages and want to voice my unbiased opinion about magnetics and Nikken. First of all... magnetics, do they work? So far I have seen sites that show scientific studies that the right amount and the right pole of a magnet is good for the body. The FDA also has not shut down Nikken or any of the other magnetic therapy companies as far as I know; so magnets can't be all that bad. Though their not going to help everybody, thats true for most prescription drugs too.

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Victor responded on the 07 August 2005

Second... Nikken, as i've been told is the world's only total wellness company, and according to economist the health/wellness industry is supposed to be the next big thing. I have found many companies (also network marketing) that offer sections of that what Nikken offers, but never all. It is a fact that there is alot of potenial for large amounts of residual income in multi-level marketing, however the ethics involved is another story, which comes down to personel opinion. Two days ago I went to a Nikken preview, which educates you about the company and products they sell. To be honest it sounded alot like every other get rich quick scams i've been to, except for two things; one I feel that the products they offer are genuinely put forth to help people live healthier lives. Second and the most important, I wasn't pressured to buy anything, or sign up for more classes at the end. I'm still doing more research but so far magnetics and Nikken seem to be checking out.

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Jenna responded on the 08 August 2005

Victor, I'm so glad that you're doing your research! That's more than a lot of people can say. You've recognized one of the important parts of Nikken that the people involved love: that everyone who is a part of Nikken has a goal of world health, and wants to help people reach their healthiest potential. One of the first things I heard when I came into Nikken was that Nikken wants to turn the polar bears white again. What a goal! Also, what other company, multi-level or no, offers a class open to everyone, that focuses soley on the person themselves, on their mental and emotional health? Being healthy isn't just about being physically fit, the mind and emotions are what rule us. Nikken knows just how important a class Humans Being More is. There are people in the company who have been to the training over 20 times in their career. I am about to go to my 5th class. If you are skeptical about the wellness industry, read Paul Zane Pilzer's "The Next Trillion." One of my favorites! A good and informative read for everyone interested in this topic.

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obi-wan responded on the 09 August 2005

garynull . com/Documents/magnets.htm

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Marcello responded on the 20 August 2005

Do animals recognize "placebo"producs from others? Then explain to the animals how comw Nikken products benefit to them.

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sedona-blue responded on the 25 August 2005

I find it absolutely amazing that people still choose to believe in the unsubstantiated claims attributed to magnetic therapy. This is an old scam, and is indeed quackery in it's worst form. This company operates as a pyramid scheme luring people with a medical background who should know better. If magnetism worked as well as claimed -every person who underwent an MRI would be cured of cancer. I am a physical therapist and would never reccomend any of these products to my patients. 2,000 dollars for a magnetic mattress pad - give me a break.

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Jenna responded on the 27 August 2005

Do you know the difference between Nikken's magnets and an MRI machine's magnetic field? How about Nikken v refrigerator magnets? Do your research first, then make judgements. I'm glad that the people I know who are in the medical field are much more open-minded and recognize facts when they see them.

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BB responded on the 05 September 2005

Well Jenna and others here, You are making medical claims the manufacturers don't make, they can't because there is no verified medical proof from the scientific community. I am not for or against, I simply asked for the proof you mention. Not for half truths and nonsense. AS for MRI scanners and fridges, what are you on about? We all know magnets can be very powerful, heck there is even a great deal of evidence against all sorts of magnetic fields for causing brain damage.

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Jenna responded on the 06 September 2005

The truth is, as long as we do not say the word "pain," we are not making a medical claim. In other parts of the world, even states in the US, it is defined differently. For a little while people couldn't even use the word "magnet!" That didn't stop people from feeling better once they used them. Again I'm going to say: do your research. This is the question that I'm putting out: what is the difference in magnetic fields? For scientific and non-scientific minds alike, my contrast of Nikken to MRI's and common refrigerator magnets is a good one if you take the time to understand. I also find it interesting that the only debate here is on the magnetic products of Nikken. I assume then that no one has a problem with their nutrition, skincare, water, or far-infrared products...

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BB responded on the 06 September 2005

Some still believe the general use of mercury, lead, and other lethal "products" can relive pain and make us better. Science has proven otherwise in 99.9% of circumstances. You (Jenna) say that as long as you dont use the word "pain" its OK, well it's not, you and others are misleading many people, most are doing it simply in an effort to make money. To close this, NO NOT make assumptions, just because no one has said anything here about other dubious products, that I am also sure have no "medical claims" made about them either!

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DrB responded on the 07 September 2005

I have been looking for the studies you quote but have found none to date. Please send references of studies actually using Nikken products. Thanks.

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Jenna responded on the 07 September 2005

For your part, show me where it has been proven that magnets do NOT work, or more importantly, harm people! I don't make these things up, the FDA has regulations on what people say and do. This comes straight from the FDA's website: Magnets "Magnets marketed with medical claims are considered to be medical devices because they are promoted to treat a medical condition or to affect the structure or function of the body. The law requires that manufacturers of medical devices, including magnets intended for medical use, obtain marketing clearance for their products from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) before they may offer them for sale. This helps protect the public health by ensuring that new medical devices are shown to be either safe and effective or substantially equivalent to other devices already legally marketed in this country. To date, the FDA has not cleared for marketing any magnets promoted for medical uses. Because these devices do not have marketing clearance, they are in violation of the law, and are subject to regulatory action. Action is taken on a case by case basis depending on the significance of the medical claims being made. Significant claims that are likely to trigger regulatory action include, but are not limited to, treatment of cancer, HIV, AIDS, asthma, arthritis, and rheumatism."

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Jenna responded on the 07 September 2005

Nikken does not claim that their magnets are medical devices. If there are consultants who say that a Nikken magnet can cure you, or they name specific diseases, then they are wrong, and violating laws. Nikken keeps a close eye on their distributors and will pull a distributorship if they feel that someone is taking advantage of it. I would still like to know, BB and others, if you have researched any of this yourself. We could have a much more substantial debate if you would not rely on me to supply all the information!

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Jenna responded on the 07 September 2005

Some more articles, research and studies for you: http://www1.5pillars.com//Content/MagneticResearch/MagneticResearch2001.cfm http://www.bcm.edu/tmc/tmcnews/12_15_97/page_08.html http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter/index.html?ID=960 http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9803/20/magnets.depression/ And if you simply want to read some articles from a real book...check out this extensive bibliography: http://www1.5pillars.com//magneticresearch.cfm

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Cath responded on the 08 September 2005

Hi Jenna, In your own words, what do you think magnets can do for me? I am skeptical but if you can convince me to come over to your side, please do. What are their benefits?

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BB responded on the 08 September 2005

Good point Cath So, without lengthy explanations, what can nikken magnets do?

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Jenna responded on the 08 September 2005

If I said that Nikken magnets "did" anything, I would be making a medical claim. If you can tell me what ails you, I can tell you how they might help! The only other way that I can avoid the FDA coming down on me is to tell you only what Nikken magnets have done for me. In that case I can tell you that after being on the products I no longer had chronic bronchitis, after being in a terrible horseback riding accident and spending only 2 days immobile surrounded by Nikken products I was able to return to activities; I have recurring chronic mono and am able to get over each case within a week or so. Without "lengthy explanations" it is difficult for me to explain to you what I know. Tell me where you hurt, what disease you have, what you want to "fix"....and I'll tell you what I can do.

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BB responded on the 08 September 2005

Jenna, you are almost "BUT NOT QUTE" saying small magnets cured your chronic bronchitis, terrible horseback riding accident, and chronic mono. Can you really say all this was a consequence of using magnets. By the way what was the damage caused by your terrible horseback riding accident?

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Cath responded on the 08 September 2005

Wow. That's kind of going through the back door. So what you're saying is that if I tell you that I have pain or medical conditions, you can tell me what to do with regard to magnets. How is this not a medical claim? Just because you don't actually say the words, that doesn't mean you are not making the insinuation. The fact that you are mentioning your physical ailments and then saying magnets have helped you sure sounds like a medical claim. You may not be saying that they will "cure" or "fix" MY problems but by saying they helped yours sounds like a claim. You seem to be walking a fine line and only tip-toeing around the FDA regs. By you saying, "Tell me where you hurt, what disease you have, what you want to "fix"....and I'll tell you what I can do" sounds suspiciously like a sales pitch. I have been approached by a Nikken person and all this sounds like snake oil. As far as what ails me, other than being a little over weight, I really don't have any illnesses (chronic or otherwise)or pains to speak of so I don't really need anything. This Nikken person is quite persistent. I could never sell anything I don't believe in 100% and so far I'm not convinced. Please don't tell me magnets can help me lose weight. If that were true, we wouldn't have the obesity problems we currently have. One question....if magnets really help, why does your mono keep coming back?

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Jenna responded on the 09 September 2005

Anything that I say is strictly abiding by FDA regulations, not tip-toeing. And I would like to say that I am not in the convincing business...my job is to educate people only and let them make their own decisions. Some Nikken distributors are very pushy, and they use only a sales angle. I hate that that makes me a stereotype. Magnets help people do a lot of things, it doesn't mean that those health problems are inexistent. I think that we can all agree that the world, in general, is sick. Personally, I focus on helping people feel better, but the truth is is that Nikken sells preventative wellness products...things that could one day prevent you from falling apart. (Don't even try to attack that one as making a medical claim!) I would never tell you that a magnet could help you lose weight, that would be ridiculous. You do that yourself. I have seen people on one of their non-magnetic products lose weight and get in shape, but that's another story. Bottom line: I'm not a doctor, and I don't claim to be. How does it hurt you to learn what I think about this? Maybe it's all just in my head. If that's the case, then I'm just a crazy person who plays with magnets and has lots of friends who play with them too. Where's the harm?

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Jenna responded on the 09 September 2005

As for the rest of my story, when I fell off that horse I was in serious pain. After a concussion I was told that I had shifted my ribcage up and over several degrees and like I said, I couldn't move or be touched for two days. The only thing that my parents could do for me was let me lie on my magnetic mattress, with a back brace on while they spun magnetic balls around my body, sending the magnetic waves into my body. Sound like voodoo? That's how I felt, but I didn't care. When I could stand up again, not have to crawl on my hands and knees into the bathroom, I was nothing but grateful that my parents had been so "gullible," or at least that's what I had once called them for falling into Nikken. I'm also not going to tell you that magnets help my mono. It takes a combination of things to strengthen my immune system enough to combat that virus. If you know anything about it, you know that mono is only supposed to had once. I can't even tell you why I get it recurringly, much less how Nikken helps me recover. All I know is that when I get sick, I'm able to get back on my feet within days, not months. And as I refuse to take any kind of medication, the obvious finger points to the only kind of prevention that I am subscribing to. Any more questions?

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adam responded on the 10 September 2005

Hi Jenna I came across this discussion while doing some research on Nikken, which my wife and I are thinking of giving a try. I take my hat off to you for being so persistant with your beliefs and responses to every-one who chooses not to have an open mind regarding alternative therapies/pain relief. Some people in this world are never going to 'think outside their square', and are happy with the beliefs they hold, while others go through life being open minded and accepting of some alternatives to the mainstream. I agree that a lot of healing is in the mind..., Updated 10/09/2005 04:38:47

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adam responded on the 10 September 2005

(continued)...but what is the harm in positive thinking? I think you need to put your energy towards someone who is going to atleast do some research and thinking before they disregard an alternative option outright. Best of luck and happiness.

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David responded on the 10 September 2005

I have also read this thread with interest and would say that, being open minded is not selling something by using very missleading statements and often in the case of magnets downlight lies. It is the case that most sellers are simply trying to make money from the work of others and using peoples desperate search for their lives to be better.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

Sorry..this is going to be a long one…. You said it...maybe it is in your head. The power of suggestion is very powerful. When a thought is planted into the mind, the mind responsively triggers a lasting product of that thought, often creating a deceitful illusion that cannot distinguish fact from fiction. Most people are not aware that they act almost entirely under suggestion. I have read so much about magnet therapy and am sharing some of what I've learned here. There is a lot of information out there but most of it seems to be against it. Some of the facts I've found are pure common sense. I just don't see how magnets can help when there are people who have jobs where they're around magnets constantly but still seem to get the same ailments that are supposedly "fixed" by magnets. Some people working in physics research work for hours each day with their whole body in the presence of magnetic fields far stronger than those from the bracelets, mattresses and pads and are no more or less healthy than anyone else. Household devices such as garbage disposals, or electric razors, also produce significant magnetic fields when in use yet people who shave still get headaches and are left with whatever ails them.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

By the way, the Nikken lady is now becoming annoying. I am in an awkward position because she is a regular customer at my place of business and because I don’t want to lose my job, I can’t say to her what I really want to. Her behavior is bordering on harassment. I’ve told her I’m not interested but when she comes to my work as a customer, she always finds a way to sneak something in.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

As far as knowing anything about mono, it’s a common illness caused by the Epstein-Barr virus and is usually self-limited and passes much the way other common viral illnesses resolve in 7-10 days. If you don’t have the antibody against EBV, the virus can and will recur. You usually get a specific virus once, acquire antibodies against it and then never get it again. If you don’t have the EBV antibody, you will get it over and over. This is very common with EBV. Your doctor should have told you this. Symptoms of mono gradually lessen over a period of 7-10 days depending on your immune system. It will go away in 7-10 days (again, longer or shorter, depending on your immune system) whether you use magnets or not. As far as magnets are concerned, I need cold hard facts. Every web site I’ve been to supporting magnetic therapy uses the words “might” or “may” but I need to see the words “can” and “do’. You may say that because of FDA regulations you can’t use those words, but even in reports about trial results, no one uses “can” or “do’.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

people wearing magnets. They also can get quite expensive, especially if you buy them from multi-level marketing companies and in forms other than bracelets (blankets and mattress pads, for instance). Be careful and don’t wear out your wallet.” That speaks VOLUMES. Jenna, you said, “The only other way that I can avoid the FDA coming down on me is to tell you only what Nikken magnets have done for me,” and then said, “I have recurring chronic mono and am able to get over each case within a week or so.” You then turn right around and contradict yourself by saying, “I'm also not going to tell you that magnets help my mono.” So do they help your mono or not? Either they do or they don’t. Obviously you think they do something for it or you wouldn’t have mentioned it.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

Some magnet proponents claim that magnets help to circulate the blood by some interaction with the iron in the blood. However, in its ionised form, iron is NOT magnetic. If it were, MRI’s would instantaneously kill people. The list of ways that manufacturers purport that magnetic fields affect the body is almost endless. Magnetic therapy has been around in some way, shape or form for a couple of thousand years throughout China and the rest of the world. It as been used and ABANDONED over the years. Can anyone out there name a LEGITIMATE therapy that has actually been picked up and then ABANDONED as many times as magnetic therapy?!? Copper bracelets went through the same cycle of belief, then abandonment 20 years ago. Most of the things that afflict us get better by themselves. That makes it pretty hard to tell whether certain remedies actually help. Whatever we happen to be taking when we get better usually gets the credit. The force (magnetic field) from a magnet is measured in gauss strength. Magnets used for pain relief and healing typically measure between 200 to 10,000 gauss. Earth's magnetic field is 0.5 gauss, a refrigerator magnet holding a shopping list about 10 gauss, and a cupboard-door latch magnet about 400. Neodymium alloy magnets (therapy magnets" are rated at 800 gauss, measured at the surface of the magnet. That’s not much compared to the 30,000-40,000 gauss electromagnets used in modern MRI, but it’s a lot for a small permanent magnet.

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

As suggested on a website I visited, I took a therapeutic magnet that my mother had when she bought into all this (then abandoned) and stuck it to a metal file cabinet. I put sheets of paper between the magnet and the cabinet until the magnet failed to hold them. It only held about 10 sheets of paper. The field of these magnets would hardly reach through the skin, much less into muscles and joints. Their fields wouldn’t even reach an injury. Magnets certainly do no harm. But the harm they might cause can be dangerous if it leads people to ignore needed medical treatment. Worse, it tends to reinforce a sort of upside-down view of how the world works, leaving people vulnerable to predatory quacks if they become seriously ill. According to Andrew Weil, M.D., a prominent supporter of alternative medicine: “All told, the studies showing that magnets help with pain relief are outnumbered by those that find no helpful effects…You should be aware, however, that using magnets is not risk-free, particularly if you have a pacemaker or other implantable medical device such as a defibrillator, insulin pump, or liver infusion pump. [There is] no proof that magnet therapy is safe during pregnancy, and there have been anecdotal reports of dizziness, nausea and prolongation of wound healing and bleeding among

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Cath responded on the 10 September 2005

ARRGGGHH!!! Very frustrating. I had way too much to post and when I tried to divide it up and post it in sections, it got messed up. I hope all of you can piece it together and figure it out. Sorry about that!!! The order is as follows: 1. Sorry..this is going to be a long one…. 2. Some magnet proponents claim 3. As suggested on a website I visited 4. people wearing magnets. 5. As far as knowing anything about mono 6. By the way Thanks for your patience!

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Robin responded on the 13 September 2005

There are negative comments re: Nikken on Quackwatch....but I am new at researching them so I have not come to a conclusion. Healthy debate is healthy, if someone is making ignorant comments why not ignore them? I don't get the jabbing going on here.

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Robin responded on the 13 September 2005

The Federaal Law mandates you can return ANYTHING in America within three days and they have to provide you a refund.

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Robin responded on the 13 September 2005

Re: FDA claims - I have been in the holistic field for 20 years. One thing you learn fairly early on is, the world doesn't WANT the FDA interfering in holistic medicine......they are more than not very inaccurate in their conclusions and studies. This goes when they are for or against something, anything. I have no respect for the FDA's conclusions and most in the alternative health field don't as well. Just something to consider...study the FDA...how they come to conclusions and what you would be willing to accept....then you'll probably scream like the rest of us! :-)

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Robin responded on the 13 September 2005

Please share...I goofed up on my entry on this site..sorry. Part 1 I just bought the Pi Mag purifier along with a friend of mine. I have been in holistic medicine for 20 years and thought the idea of bringing the minerals back in to the water was a good idea. I didn't buy the purifier for the magnets. But in helping my friend put the purifier together this evening realized there are two magnets on the spiket of the dispenser to put 'magnetized water into the water'. I usually do alot of research before buying products like this but I have two wonderful reverse osmosis purifiers from Natures Sunshine and am now renting a house where the adapter doesn't fit on any of the faucets. I tried this Pi Mag water while in a Migun distributor's store and thought this would be a great resolve to my water problem. Now....I shared this Pi Mag deal (buy 1 get 1 free) with all my health care buddies and one came back with a very interesting thought.

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Robin responded on the 13 September 2005

Part 2 She said that she would never recommend or use anything magnetic from Nikken or anyone because.... The magnets in the shoe insoles are strong (Nikken likes to hear that too), they actually "pull" anything metal out of your body. For instance if you have metal fillings in your mouth, metal pins from surgery...anything like that...even metal in your jewelry. It gets pulled through your system, your entire blood system. She said she has had people she has worked with who initially do feel better but then have gone into health crisis because the metal pulling through the body has made them very ill. Which would also coincide with comments I have read this evening on the higher incident of cancer when using Nikken. I am not saying those are right, just that with what I know it does make sense. Also when you cleanse someone who is ill, one form is to soak their feet in a solution of hot ginger water, or hot water with oils to 'pull' all the toxins out of their body. Has anyone heard anything regarding this thought on magetic therapy? Any substantiated findings from third parties pro or against Nikken? Please email me asap. Thanks! Robin

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Jenna responded on the 13 September 2005

I have heard magnetic therapy explained like this: it is like going up a staircase. Your pain climbed upward and if you stand at the top, you have to come back down to where you started. People who are determined to work a little harder reap the benefits. That is true of any kind of therapy. You are right about the strength of Nikken magnets and Nikken encourages distributors to warn people who have things such as metal pins or rods if they choose to use them. You are very right, some people in this forum get very rude and belligerent! As for myself, I know I struggle when the beliefs I am very passionate about are challenged. I also applaud you, Cath for doing some research, although I must say that some of it seemed to be a bit misguided, which can't be helped! It's not up to me to correct mistakes which could hinder a neutral party's positive spin on Nikken. I hope you find the answer that you are looking for with this company and let other people find the answer for themselves as well...

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skeptic responded on the 23 September 2005

my friends are "nikken consultants" now we used to do fun things and share a lot but now they are trying to make a million have no time for friends or thier kids spending thousands on stuff like sleep system, oh i don't drink coffee anymore well i saw him and had a cup in his hand, any way a person i know bought a few hundred dollars of magnets and wore them for 2 weeks and said to her husband oh my shoulder feels great and my knee doesn't hurt anymore. then he went to the kitchen drawer and pulled out a handfull of small magnets he took them out the first night. scam or your mind has the power to heal.?

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Jenna responded on the 29 September 2005

Wow, skeptic, your post was hard to read...I still have no idea where the coffee cup comes in...but anyways, did this person you know who wore the products without magnets actually have a shoulder or knee problem? You better believe that the mind has the power to heal itself....ever heard of the power of positive thinking?

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samou responded on the 05 October 2005

You are so right! And Niken does not refund after 3 months I lost a not of money with them it is all about money money

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Jenna responded on the 07 October 2005

Oh, come on now, it's not all about the money with Nikken! They have enough money as a company, you think they need to be greedy over one order? If there is nothing wrong with your product, then Nikken will not refund you for merely changing your mind!! They are terrific with their warranties when something goes wrong. If you change your mind about wanting product, take it up with the consultant you bought it from! (Sometimes they'll be nice and strike you a deal...)

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poor responded on the 13 October 2005

that is bull they shove it right up your backside if the product id more then a month old, and how come you can't say the word pain? if something will fix a pain then say so if it won't than send it back to the japs, who is getting rich here? hmmmmm lets see we'll get the gullabe americans to sell our products to every person who thinks they are being healed and we'l;l make a killing. hello people wake up this stuff is all crap.

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Jenna responded on the 13 October 2005

Spelling and punctuation, folks, spelling and punctuation. And go back and read the old posts while you're at it, you might understand better. Then you won't have to make an angry face as you spew "facts" that aren't true!

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jta responded on the 27 October 2005

I don't sell Nikken products, am a very , very skeptical person and don't subscribe to the placebo effect for myself. Some of these products work for some people sometimes and other times they don't. I can honestly say that I and some of my family members have been helped by these magnets many , many times which led me to be less sketical. Even when I was helped I still didn't believe, but time and time again when it works it's time to say "Hey, this stuff does work!" I had plantar fascitis for 3 yrs, started wearing the magnets (took about 6 mos ) and I no longer have foot problems unless I forget the magnetic insoles. My husband and mother have knee problems, the magnetic knee brace helps to eliminate their pain. Once in a great while I get migrane headaches - one evening I got up with excruciating pain, took the insoles out of my shoes , put them on my head and back of neck. In 20 minutes the pain was gone.I've done this 4 or 5 times and it works. Only once did it not. I'm a believer in some products for some people at some times.

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Anne responded on the 27 October 2005

Well this is a very long thread! jta, you say you "don't subscribe to the placebo effect for myself" yet it is impossible to know this unless you take part in a trial!

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

I'm a bit concerned about the cancer issue. I just bought several items: kenko king and queen pads plus comforters and pillows. Someone know anything about this topic here.

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

So you are saying Nikken products are bad of they have two magnets, north and south facing each other, correct?

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Hello Everyone, I'm new to this forum and I was checking out the comments. From what I found just within the last couple of days is that I had a lot of pain due to a cracked bone in my wrist (fissure) and NOTHING would make the pain go away except this cute little golden bracelet I purchased...a Nikken product, I might add. I am impressed not only because the pain has subsided but the little finger, bent due to osteo-arthritis appears to be straightening up. Hey, that's a lot for just a couple of days. I ordered the pads but now SOMEONE scared me. I want to know if there is evidence to substantiate that they could cause cancer. I have a problem with that for sure but why aren't there any law suits. It would be very easy to prove that they caused cancer and many persons would have made a ton of money off the Nikken company within the last 29 years. Anyone have any information on law-suits due to cancer producing products being sold to the public?

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Well, the more I come back to read because it's a long thread I find something else. I forgot to mention that the way I found out about Nikken was NOT in the US but in Mexico. It's BIG in Monterrey, Mexico. I was excited about the products so I got me some as soon as I got into the US. I talk from personal experience and I'm not a dist., just someone that is glad to no longer have the excruciating pain in my wrist due to the fissure from falling on a cement walkway and catching myself with my hands. I've had pain for many many many months now and funny, was just checking...the trigger finger is also diminishing apart from my little finger straightening up. I'm in awe here....WOW!!!!

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Bruce, Please email me that information. I just want to clear up the doubt I picked up in this site from someone. I ordered many of the Nikken products and I was beginning to panic...because of the positive and negative poles thing and the magnetic bed pads. By the way, as a healthy alternatives specialist, I'm always looking for ways to help people. I do detox an nutritional advisement plus I am certified in iridology, reflexology and lymphology. I experiment with products a lot and this is the first with magnets. I'm seeing great resuls with myself that nothing else has worked and I'm amazed. I thank God for this little bracelet that I also ordered the Nikken necklace. The only thing I need more information on is the pads about the positive and negative poles. Anyone with information here?

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Robin, If you find out any written research or something on the detoxing with Nikken products, let me know. I DID use my iriscope right before I went to sleep and again in the morning, I can't tell, yet, if the metals are chelated out of the system. I'm using the kenko pad, the bracelet, the insoles and pending to get two wrist support wraps, pillow, comforters etc. Any research or comments on these...what about the mag palm...the magcreator? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks.

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Hello KB, As an unbiased believer and an alternatives specialist, I don't agree with your badgering and bullying of these people here. It's my first time here and I sense so much anger and bitterness. You know, I'm so grateful to the Nikken distributor that I met in Monterrey Mexico because she showed me that the Nikken products worked right there. The demonstration on ME with the pain I had sold me on the products. You must understand that people CAN be sincere and truthful. I would feel bad if you were to badger me because I believe in something very NEW to me because it helped me. You mention multi-level, money this and money that...that's only the side benefit. These are people that personally experienced results and wish to help others, don't be so hard on them. I too will promote them eventhough I will not become a distributor. I can always get them at wholesale from someone. All I can say, let people be and let them do whatever they need to do to help others. They can't help it that the company is not in the US. It's their business, don't knock it....please, be nice. Diana

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David responded on the 30 October 2005

Please get me information on products that help shrink brain tumors. I read research on one of those you mention. Supposely there was a man brain tumor and he wore a magnet on his cap and when he went back to check with the doctor, it had shrunk.

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Jorge, tomaste clases de ingles en EU hace 20+ anos?

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Primardie responded on the 30 October 2005

Hello Cathy, Pleasure. I was reading what you wrote and I'm seriously a bit distraut and the stuff you keep writing. Most all is very negative. I'm new here at the forum and I stumbled into it by chance when I was seeking more information on Nikken products. You know, the only reason I was researching was because I'm interested in buying many more items whether they are too expensive or whether it's making a distributor make a little money, I honestly don't care. I care about the benefits and what is has done for me. After being in pain for a long long time and seeing that a Nikken bracelet got rid of that pain, I want more of the same. I have osteo-arthritis, mom has diabetis and I have an aunt in the hospital who had a stroke and half of her body is paralyzed. Don't knock it if you aren't happy with the topic. Let others give their opinions and let the world live however they wish to live. In all honesty, I felt bad each time you spewed out your comments that I had to say, please stop it. I am not a distributor, just a happy person. Hope you understand. I don't mean to be disrespectful, just honest. Bless you and I'll pray for you.

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Primardie responded on the 31 October 2005

Hello Warrick, I am so very sorry that you do not understand the basics of healthy alternatives whether they are machines of some sort, herbs, or therapy of any kind including magnetic therapy such as with Nikken. Nonebody, not individuals nor companies that sell healthy alternatives are permitted to state medical claims of any kind, the law prohibits it. If you check out the information on most of the items, they have to say something like "this product has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration" or "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease" and so forth. You COULD do some research in this area. It is not a secret that the FDA and the AMA are in bed together. It's so sad because that makes people doubt products and instead get full of synthetic chemicals that instead of curing the body will throw it out of homeostasis making it harder and harder to recuperate from any ailment. That is truly sad. I tell you from my own experiences.

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Primardie responded on the 31 October 2005

Hello Warrick, I am so very sorry that you do not understand the basics of healthy alternatives whether they are machines of some sort, herbs, or therapy of any kind including magnetic therapy such as with Nikken. Nonebody, not individuals nor companies that sell healthy alternatives are permitted to state medical claims of any kind, the law prohibits it. If you check out the information on most of the items, they have to say something like "this product has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration" or "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease" and so forth. You COULD do some research in this area. It is not a secret that the FDA and the AMA are in bed together. It's so sad because that makes people doubt products and instead get full of synthetic chemicals that instead of curing the body will throw it out of homeostasis making it harder and harder to recuperate from any ailment. That is truly sad. I tell you from my own experiences.

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ian responded on the 09 November 2005

Hi I have just stumbled upon this site. I am a distributor for Ecoflow magnetic products. They have been used since 1993 for people and animals called Bioflow, over 2 million sold all with a money back guarantee. They have helped me and many many others I know, including dogs, cats and horses! In DEC 2004 the British Medical Journal published research based on these and other products. They found that the Bioflow wristband was as efefctive as a painkiller in people suffering from arthritic pain in the hip and knee. In Europe the devices have always been recognised as a class one medical device. And the company is growing world wide. Opening in Australia this month. If you are not sure about magnets but are in pain then find a company that gives a total refund and try one to see if it helps you. I can suggest "magnatech" as one of many examples. Enjoy life to the full and find alternatives to suffering pain.

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mollie v. responded on the 24 November 2005

I have recieved some nikken treatment and found that I am almost pain free from arthritis and the after effects of an accident four years ago, my ashmatic condition has improved ( I am still adhering to my medical regime)as a practicing therapist I know how important it is to do so and have not been encouraged to do otherwise by a very ethical nikken practitioner.

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jane responded on the 23 December 2005

I also happened on this website. I was quite skeptical when I first learned about magetic products over 1 year ago. I didn't "trust" my friend & spent hours doing research. I found some research (it is there), but not lots. There have been some very good studies with arthritis, fibromyalgia and diabetes. The bottom line is I decided to try the products. Placebo effect or not, I have relief--so,I think it sure is safer than using Vioxx! Also, to the complaints that "the pain comes back when you quit using products", does your pain come back when you stop taking pain meds? Most western medicine does not cure--it treats or keeps under control. I don't think alternative health products are any different in that respect. You need to keep using them to see the results. It is true, if you have an electronic medical device you should not use magents.All in all, western medicine doesn't have all of the answers! Good luck to those of you that are looking for help!

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sleepwellnes responded on the 01 January 2006

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Primardie responded on the 02 January 2006

Hi, I happen to have purchased a Nikken bracelet and the pain in my wrist went away. I fell and there was a fissure in the bone and the pain was excruciating. I was amazed at how fast the pain went away.

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Primardie responded on the 02 January 2006

Mollie, I have purchased the entire Nikken regimen from the sleep system to the pads, you name it. I am sold on the products. About the supplementation, the magnets enhance their effectiveness. I am testing these products myself with my supplements and I find that the supplements work faster when using the magnets. Colds that usually lasted a few days to a week went away in just two days. My own son had struggled with a cough for over a week and after putting him to sleep on the mattress, on the pillow with the comforter and I used the palm-mag, he recovered in just two days. He was skeptical at first but felt so bad that he decided to try these. My daughter, same thing. I love my Nikken products.

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Primardie responded on the 02 January 2006

These two web-sites have information on how to cure cancer with magnets. Removed

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Renee responded on the 07 January 2006

Hi Jane, You mentioned that "there have been some very good studies with arthritis, fibromyalgia and diabetes." I'd be grateful if you could help me find those studies, particularly any regarding fibromyalgia. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

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sleepwellnes responded on the 10 January 2006

Many reports available

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Renee responded on the 16 January 2006

Thanks, sleepwellness. I appreciate the info.

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Tammie responded on the 06 February 2006

I would really like to see or hear more about the so called findings of the Bipolar magnets being dangerous for those whom have cancer. I had cancer back in 2002 and I am thinking about using some of the Nikken products for my twisting back and bad knee. I am not sure that I want to use Nikkens products if these products could cause my cancer to return etc... Please send me information on this topic. Thank you

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John responded on the 15 February 2006

One of their "wellness consultants" confirmed to me that they are just selling the power of suggestion - if you believe it works, it works, even though there is no evidence to support any change. The parlor tricks they use to tout the magnets are pretty funny though, so I'm not sure how they get so many people to plunk down $ for the stuff. I have strong reservations about any product sold through a pyramid scheme. This relies on high pressure/misleading sales pitches putting pressure on buyers in a one-on-one blitz, rather than open advertising in a free marketplace in the light of day. It's not illegal though, so I don't see anything wrong with it. If people want to buy the products and believe they are getting some value, more power to them.

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liveswell responded on the 10 March 2006

If you heard of a wellness consultant confirming that they are just selling the power of suggestion then I would stay away from them. I have been a Wellness Consultant with Nikken for about a year now and I have personally SEEN the remarkable affects of all of the products that Nikken offers. I have read this ENTIRE thread and I would like to say that there are a lot of stubborn people out there. This thread primarily talks about magnets. I will say that I have noticed much change in my overall well-being by using magnets, but I have noticed MORE with useing everything ESPECIALLY the nutrition. Last June I was diagnosed with having gout, and a friend of mine also