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Gregorian Bivolaru misa
fred wrote on 01 May 2006

please can someone help me my wife has got mixed up with MISA in Romania it like she has been brain washed, the are teaching her and she believes 100pce that she needs no material things i.e. friends family processions and she has cut all ties to them, they are now teaching her on how not to be reincarnated , if you believe in reincarnation then the reason you come back is you never learned the lesson in that life,but the only way this can be proven is to die. This can not be yoga. Please if you can help let me know she will only talk to MISA group she is in, in Romania
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Bill responded on 16 May 2006

I have known some people involved in the MISA organization in Romania. I can agree to a point about the brain washing theory although I do not know if indeed it is used. I do believe that they prey upon weaker people and those in need of a feeling of "belonging". There are some very good practices of health and exercise that are beneficial to anyone practicing Yoga, however to the extent that the MISA movement has broadened that to include sharing of multiple partners, the guru deciding who can be with whom, the cohersion of women to perform on adult sites through the Internet, all cannot be denied to those who know the organization. My hope is that in time your wife indeed finds her way back to you.
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Jolene responded on 27 May 2006

Hello my friend, I also know a lot of people taking yoga classes with MISA and I think they are ok, there are no strange teaching or strange behaviours. I think you will get a common sense reply if you write directly to MISA. Here is their website yogaesoteric you should try to find there contact information.
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Visitor responded on 03 June 2006

Where are you from? I might be able to help a little, I know a bunch of things abou MISA. For a start,I can sort of tell you how to approach romanian things or mentality if I know where are you coming from. By your "accent" I can tell English it's not your firstlanguage
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Siva responded on 03 June 2006

I clicked onto that site yogaesoteric, the first thing you see is a scantily clad young lady. what is that all about?
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Mary responded on 16 June 2006

Dear Fred, I read your message and I got stuck for a moment. It sound weird but I really understand you and your worrings. It does not matter what other people are telling you about the good or bad things about Misa. What is important is what you know and what see through your heart in yuor wife. About one year ago I found myself in your same position. The person i was in love with found misa. Later on I got to know this group. I tried later to make things clear on my dear friend but with no solution. I was accused to manipulate him, by himself. You can imagine the pain I felt. I do not know how I can help you but for certain people in this group are taking advantages on many people that find themselves in difficult situation. I had the prove on myself. I was also manipulated for a while and I know how difficult it is to go out all that and be relly free. Let me know if I can help in some ways.
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marie responded on 19 June 2006

If we are all talking about yoga, why to go to a Natha summer camp (a branch of Misa in denmark) or to a summer camp of Misa in Romania, people need to bring with them the HIV test and Don't they know that only after six months you can know the real result? Be careful to all. It is is very easy to be brainwash without being aware of that. It is more difficult to admit that. Everybody can be brainwash. Be modest and recognize that! With love
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Zina responded on 18 July 2006

Dear man, Try to find where your wife is in Romania and, if at all possible, join her. After the first thrill of discovering the new world revealed through MISA, reality slowly sets in, one feels the need for the real and lasting connection with a mate. Refrain from judging, learn to listen, observe with all your senses, be there for her. Share her life, her interests, her dreams, prove yourself as a guiding light in her life. If there is love between the two of you, this period of your lives will make you grow together. Love can be a unique emotional, physical and spiritual adventure; try to open yourself to it. MISA could, indeed, have a brain washing effect on weak people. Follow your inner voice, open yourself to what feels right for you, and gently avoid what doesn't. The world does not have good guys and bad guys, you have to hold on to your judgement and make your own decisions in the end, no one and nothing in this world has all the answers for you, my friend. Keep an open mind, love your wife for her willingness to search beyond social conventions, and offer her the much needed grounding through your love and understanding. I wish you well, dear man.
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Naz responded on 18 July 2006

Hey jolene, I went onto the website, a scantily clad chick was the first thing to greet me, as i scrolled down more of the same.pretty cool thinks me, so how do i sign up? ALL YOURS, NAZ.
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AL responded on 22 July 2006

only with calm and peace u will resolve everything. if it's your wife and u truly love her trie to understand her, stay next to her and trie to understand what she is looking for. don't be against her if she is looking for aspiritual life there is nothing wrong in that, u can't be agains't someone if u don't know that person, it will be quite good if u became friends with her friends and see what are they like what they say to her ,a fter that u can do whatever u wish but first go and see by yourself what is in there.i think u are exagerating
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kimiko responded on 31 May 2007

Hi there ! All I can say is that you are not the only one in this situation...there are a lot of people for all around the world having the same problems.Misa is influencing people in a radical manner. First what is Misa?They claim to be a yoga school but under the courtain there are a lot of things they do wich are in a total contradiction with yoga teachings...and this starting with the basement:yama&niyama the prerequisites for hatha yoga teachings.This school pretends they can guide people in all diffent yoga paths...but the leader it's a person that 've been involved in a lot of scandals basically of having sex with the young women in order to initiate them in tantric secrets.But there are many women that confessed they've been manipulated by the instructors to get there.In the count of karma yoga people are doing volunteer work .One of this work might be considerated including the sex with the leader bivolaru .They also have many different subgroups in the esoteric field as "angels" ,shivaism,tantric sexuality etc...a broad variety of "sweet ilusions" for everybody..& all of these to help u escape from the "big illusion".I rather preffer a life on two legs not a head between the clouds.
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Dan responded on 12 August 2007

Misa's not yoga... just a sect of some idiots trying to make it look somehow intelectual... you may know that... yoga's something else: some they find it, some 99.99 cover themselfs with words...
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Andrew responded on 27 August 2007

Dates of a uk visit by bivolaru will be announced shortly. an opportunity to ask questions and look beyond the negative propergander above,put out by romanian state.
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YOGI responded on 31 August 2007

PLEASE POST DATES AS I WISH TO ATTEND ANY SEMINARS OR TALKS IN UK. I HAVE ATTENDED A SEMINAR IN SWEDEN AND IT WAS GREAT.MISA ARE GENUINE SINCERE AND WORTH ATTENDING.
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shakti responded on 28 August 2008

Was he in UK? Did you ask him your questions?
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anna responded on 03 November 2008

I subscribe to who they say that MISA is not yoga and it became a kind of a sect. I was involved in their courses. Fot more information you can access exmisa.ro, there you'll find an english area with strong and fair information about misa. Take care of your wife
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luke responded on 04 November 2008

I am also looking forward to any uk talks , recently stayed in sweden with misa members, and keeping in touch with them now. hoping to return next year.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I don't know how many of you are aware that MISA has in the present some big problems. For example, this year MISA and NATHA(the danish branch of MISA) were expelled forom IYF(the International Yoga Federation) folowing a very heated exchange of words between Shri Ajita(Mr. Philippe Barbier), one of the leaders of the federation, and Mihai Stoian, the leader of the Natha School. This discussion took place on the federation's yahoo discussion group. The reason invoked by Mr. Barbier was the discovery made by him that some NATHA and MISA students and instructors(including Mr. Stoian himself as an actor in one erotic movie, "The Magic Passage") were involved in the production of some controversial erotic movies(with subjects ranging from mild softcore erotica to pee fantasies). So heated was the discussion that at some point Shri Ajita described Mr. Stoian as being "a vulgar sex bussinesman"(those were exactly his words). After which followed the expulsion of the two schools from the Federation.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I think you can still find the content of the letters exchanged by the two interlocutors(Shri Ajita and Mr. Mihai Stoian) on Mr. Stoian's blog. Off course, Mr. Stoian disagrees in regard of the reasons of this expulsion(he says that the true reasons were other that the ones invoked by Shri Ajita). It shouldn't be hard to find this blog with a simple search with the google search engine, if some of you are curious to see the both points of vue of the two parties involved in the dispute. Unfortunately the IYF seemed to be so embarassed of the whole scandal that it kept it confined to its yahoo discussion group. It didn't make any public statement and just erased MISA and NATHA from the list of its members published on its website.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

Another thing that you should know is that in Romania more than a dozen of MISA's leaders are accused of human trafficking and antisemitic propaganda in one very controversial trial(Mr. Bivolaru himself is accused of sex with a minor girl in another very controversial trial). Both trials are ongoing for years and the MISA's official position is that they represents a form of abuse from the romanian prosecutors and secret services, based on pure lies.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

One interesting aspect about those trials is that until this year MISA school enjoyed some support from OSCE in their fight with the romanian authorities. Their main defender in the OSCE was Mr. Seppo Isotalo, who came several times to Bucharest to make sure that MISA school was enjoying a fair trial. But in the present Mr. Isotalo seems to have some doubts about his involvement in this story. I won't get into details because it's a story with some ugly aspects. But I think that Mr. Isotalo's and Mr. Rolf Ekeus's mail contact adresses are public and any of you can ask them yourselves for some more details in the matter if you wish. They are high european public servants and I guess they will respond if asked. The worst case scenario that awaits MISA is to lose completely, starting with this year, the OSCE's support in the matter. From my knowledge the members of MISA weren't been treated quite fairly by the romanian authorities(there existed some real abuses indeed), but the situation is not in black and white and contains multiple shades of grey. That's all I have to say.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I have to make a little correction. I've wrote in a previous message: "Both trials are ongoing for years and the MISA's official position is that they represents a form of abuse from the romanian prosecutors and secret services, based on pure lies.". What I want to correct to be clear is this: "Both trials are ongoing for years and the MISA's official position is that they represents a form of abuse from the romanian prosecutors and secret services, and that the trials are based on pure lies." I was worried that my message could be misunderstood. Anyway,if you are interested about the story of those lawsuits, I know that on exmisa.ro is posted some of the prosecutor case in the second trial(it leaked on the Internet and on the media) although I don't know if someone translated it from romanian into english. It is actually a big text with a lot of legal references to various laws and possible offences. If the prosecutors are wright or wrong it remains to be decided in the court.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

As a minor observation, I see that on this forum exists another older thread about MISA, entitled "MISA MESS - EVIL Destroyed a School". Maybe it would be interesting for you to check some of the things written there and that predates,I think, the expulsion of MISA and NATHA from IYF.
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Leena responded on 07 November 2008

I confirm what Newcomer has said. I must also add that MISA's tactics, applied on all those who dare speak against it, is to label everybody as high-degree masons or infiltrated secret agents. This is what happened to both Shri Ajita - who was declared a high-rank mason on MISA's official web site, in an article signed by Mihai Stoian, and to Mister Seppo Isotalo - who was accused of having asked for sexual favours from some MISA girls. I would advise anyone interested in spirituality to stay away from MISA, because this "school" doesn't save anybody, it just destroys souls.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I've checked Mihai Stoian's blog(remember, he is the NATHA leader, the danish branch of MISA)and there are still posted Shri Ajita's letters and Mihai Stoian's replyes(the web address is mihaistoian). I quote from one of Shri Ajita letters written to Mihai Stoian and posted on the latter's blog, under the name "The third letter from Shri Ajita": "So, I made a mistake considering you as a practitioner of the dangerous left hand Tantra Yoga style. You are not a Tantra Yoga practitioner at all. You are only a vulgar sex businessman using the names of "Tantra Yoga" and our "International Yoga Federation" as an attractive cover for your controversial business activities. You systematically try to mislead people, using an uncontrollable "methodology" consisting of a mish mash of techniques and so called revelations, which are not in accordance with the standards of the International Yoga Federation. I will advise to cancel the congress of June in Bucharest. And my conclusion is that you and your organization MISA cannot be accepted by any Yoga association. ... Namaste,Shri Yogacharya Ajita (Philippe Barbier) Honorary Secretary of the International Yoga Federation for the European Union President of the European Yoga Council of European Yoga Alliance"
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I've also checked the exmisa.ro site, which is organized as an Internet forum, much like this one. In the english section "Wiki MISA - The Encyclopedia" there is a thread entitled "The MISA prosecution file". There I've seen a translation in english of the prosecution file that leaked into the romanian media and on the Internet, but I don't know how complete and accurate it is. Also, in the same english section there is a thread entitled "MISA and The International Yoga Federation", where are gathered more messages from the federation's yahoo discussion group(including the "letters" of Shri Ajita)than those posted on Mihai Stoian's blog(or at least that was my impression), only that there the messages are gathered somewhat a little chaotically. Maybe it will be best if you check both the Mihai Stoian's blog and the thread from exmisa.ro.
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Newcomer responded on 07 November 2008

I would like to recommend to you to read Mihai Stoian's blog also because always is desirable in principle to see the views of the both sides involved in a dispute. Personally I totally disagree with some things written by him, but that is just my personal opinion. I am not totally free from any bias in this case. So I think that would be best for you to verify the facts on yourselves and draw your own conclusions, consulting the both sides of the story. Edited 07/11/2008 14:09:58 by Newcomer
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Martin responded on 08 November 2008

Luke ,can you please inform us of any forthcoming uk dates ,I visited the swedish branch and heard lots of talk about a uk visit and also the possibility of a small branch opening in london at some point. unfortunatly no positive confirmation yet.
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Nemesis responded on 10 February 2009

The MISA cult has now established itself in the UK under the guise of The Tara Yoga Centre They seem quite open about the fact that they see creating pornography including "watersports" themed porn as being spiritually enlightening. I can provide some links to the porn they have produced if it is allowed. Should I do this? Some former MISA members, all young women and girls, claim that they did not give their consent for explicit footage of them to be published on the internet. I think it is important that people understand what kind of an organisation they really are.
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Luke responded on 11 February 2009

Yep Misa up and running in uk, contact Tara yoga centre for details, come along experience, we have nothing to hide ,also no romanian state propaganda agents to persecute us. please ignore the negative stuff written on this site and find out for yourselfs.
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vibes responded on 12 February 2009

Just checked out their website featuring a young girl in a bikini and talking of spiritual development, without even explaining what spirituality is. It also mentions that yoga is an extremely complex spiritual tradition. For a start Yoga is so simple that it seems complex to anyone who misunderstands it and the word 'spiritual' is not mentioned in the patanjali yoga sutras, or anywhere in yoga is the word simply does not exist in sanskrit.It talks of rising above the limited notion of who we are-Whoever wrote this probably knows nothing about who he/she is as there is so much to the self! - I think that sums up Tara Yoga -by all means check it out but beware of the nonsense that they spout out which has nothing to do with Yoga.
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Naz responded on 13 February 2009

Yeah Man, just checked out the fit chick in the bikini, my root chakra is thunpin man, can't wait to get down there .hope she takes the class.
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nemesis responded on 13 February 2009

Yes, hurry while it's still there because I have a distinct impression that it won't be there for too long. Those hoping to see fit chicks in bikinis may be disappointed. Researchers have already covertly attended classes and from what I have heard they are putting forward the fit men, not the fit women. Why? because they are more interested in recruiting young girls than they are men. Anyone interested in finding out more about MISA can visit the exmisa boards where many former members complain of sexual abuse and exploitation then, just to get a balanced view, interested persons can read Mihai Stoian's blog where Bivolaru responds to the claims that his senior yogis filmed young girls peeing each other in the forest as part of a Miss Shakty Contest and then published the footage on a commercial website without the girls' permission. It is interesting to note that Bivolaru does not dispute that he arranged for young girls to be filmed while having sex and peeing on each other, in fact he admits this. The bit he disputes is that HE published the film on the internet. He claims it was the Romanian Secret Police who stole the footage from him and published it themselves. Well I'm so pleased that he cleared that one up as I was starting to worry that MISA / Tara yoga centre was a bit dodgy. Edited 20/03/2009 07:40:07 by nemesis
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nemesis responded on 13 February 2009

One more thing I have to say something in defense of Mihai Stoian, just demonstrate that I am fair and considerate in my assessment of the situation and that I am not completely closed minded or a prude. To be fair to him and to his wife, they not only recruit young women to appear in porn films but they appear in them themselves. Anyone wanting to see Mr and Mrs Stoian performing a bit of non-stop hardcore watersports action, so to speak, along with a gorgeous pouting friend, can search google for "magic passage - making off" and you can see exactly what they get up to. They work under the porn names Paul and Claire Diamond. It's like a a hybrid between a Max Hardore film combined with a boring documentary about "sexual continence". I have to say that I was very surprised to learn that sexual continence actually means having as much sex as you want with whoever you want while also relieving yourself on them. The only restriction seems to be that the man should not ejaculate. It seems to me that if they were just completely honest and upfront about what they are trying to do, if that for example said something like "here at the Tara Yoga Centre we believe that you can attain enlightenment through watersports, promiscuous sex and making porn films and donating all the money to our great leader" then at least people would know what they were letting themselves in for. As it is, to be a big business pornography production company masquerading as a spiritual yoga centre, to me is about as close to evil as it is possible to get. Almost forgot, before I go, just in case anyone here is in any doubt about whether or not MISA / Tara Yoga Centre is a cover for a porn production company, you may want to check this thread which details some of the films they have released (warning, some pictures of porn DVD covers so maybe NSFW). For my final thoughts I would just like to make it very clear that I have nothing to do with the Romanian secret services or any other secret services. Us English people do not need the Romanian secret services to help us deal firmly with pimps and people traffickers. We have our own many and various ways of dealing with them as some people will soon find out. Toodle pip! Edited 13/02/2009 17:42:29 by nemesis
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Neutral responded on 13 February 2009

Just wondered if any readers of this site has actually been along to the Tara yoga centre and met the staff there. I would like a fresh balanced opinion based on personal experience at this uk centre, instead of demented ravings from nemises or whatever she calls herself today. just a simple explanation or account of your experience. I would go along myself but live to far from london. dont like the subtle threats either about ways of dealing with people. we are all bound by uk law in this country and if Tara yoga are found to be breaking that law they will be dealt with by the uk police and proper judicial system. So lets hear from any yogis who have attended classes there ,hoe was the class ,any sexual overtones or advances, etc,etc. toodle pip.
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nemesis responded on 14 February 2009

neutral LOL Not really a very fitting name is it? People don't have to listen to what I say. They have the internet, they have minds of their own and they can find things out for themselves by checking the information I have provided, but also by checking the MISA, NATHA and Tara Yoga Centre websites. MISA and its various franchises have presented a wealth of information on their own websites that should give any intelligent person cause for concern without having to look for any further sites at all. And seriously, do you really think that anyone attending a 1st yoga class is going to get invited to take part in anything sexual? The way these things work, as you full know, is that the so called sacred secrets LOL get revealed over time and when the person is "ready" (for which read sufficiently compliant and eager to please). That's why the yoga classes are divided into different stages. It's not rocket science. I am bemused that you interpret my comments as being threats of some kind of illegal activity. There are many ways to skin a rabbit and many ways to stop exploitative organisations like MISA, many of them completely legal. I will leave the criminal activities up to the MISA yogis, they are obviously so much better and more experienced at them that I am. Toodle pip!
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nemesis responded on 14 February 2009

May I ask why my links to the exmisa threads have been removed? Do the owners of this forum feel that the abuse of young women is unimportant? Is this just a one sided discussion or should those who have been abused have a voice? If I post up some links to photos of various MISA senior staff acting in porn moves will they get removed too? I can pixelate all the private parts so as not to make it NSFW I just think it's really important that people who abuse young women and who pressurise them into pornography are not allowed to get away with it. How can any sane person disagree with that? Please do enlighten me as to why the links have been removed
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Webmaster responded on 15 February 2009

Links to external sites are generally removed because each post can speak for itself, these forums are provided for discussion and not for the promotion of material on other sites.
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NAZ responded on 16 February 2009

Greg baby, if you are reading this thread , never mind levels one ,two or three. I am ready and willing now!! cant wait to get in front of those cameras.Thumpin root chakra ready to go.YEAH!!!
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nemesis responded on 04 March 2009

naz If you are so very keen to get busy with young women in front of a camera crew, why not just contact a regular pornography production company? They don't pay men very much as far as I know, (I confess I am no authority on the issue) but at least you will get paid something, unlike the set up at MISA / NATHA / Tara, where you are expected to perform for nothing as "karma yoga". The other very serious problem you will encounter if you pursue the path you seem so determined to follow is that you are very likely to pick up an interesting variety of STIs. The MISA students are told, and many seem to believe, that a combination of yoga, meditation and drinking urine will protect them from STIs. I have many friends and colleagues working in the field of genito-urinary medicine and I can tell you with some authority that anyone who believes that they are immune to STIs if they drink pee and practice yoga is living in cloud cuckoo land. In some UK inner city ares the prevalence of chlamydia in 16 - 25 year olds is as high as 1 in 10. Chlamydia is a very serious STI that can cause infertility in men and women and which often has no symptoms until irreparable damage has been done to the reproductive system. I have heard from former MISA members that chlamydia and human pampaloma virus (HPV commonly known as wart virus) are a serious problem at MISA owned ashrams. Given the pressure put on yoga students to engage sexually with multiple partners without barrier protection it would be surprising if chlamydia and HPV are not at epidemic levels at MISA ashrams. Both chlamydia and HPV are generally asymptomatic for many weeks or months after infection, so can be transmitted easily without the knowledge of either party. You would be far less likely to end up infertile or with what looks like a cauliflower growing out of your penis (an unfortunate consequence of some strains of HPV) if you work with ordinary professional porn actresses than if you work with the MISA recruited porn actresses or even just the girls at MISA ashrams who, for whatever reason, have not yet ended up working in the sex industry. Even if you pick up as strain of HPV that does not give you genital warts, it may be one of the strains that can cause cervical cancer in any women you subsequently have sex with. The fact that the ashrams require new members to have HIV and syphilis tests should alert you that something there is seriously wrong. There is a 3 - 6 month window period before HIV infection will show in the most widely used tests so all that they show if that, if negative, that person did not have HIV 3 - 6 months before they had the test. They could have become infected the day before they arrived at the ashram and go on to infect multiple partners without knowing. If I was a public health official in the countries where the ashrams are located, I would be offering a comprehensive STI testing and treatment service to the students and instructors there. Another very serious concern would be hepatitis, another very serious infection that can be asymptomatic for years and go on to cause serious (sometimes life threatening) illness later in life. My understanding of the situation with MISA is that, apart from anything else to do with abuse, coercion, etc. it represents a very serious threat to public health. If you are determined to have unprotected sex with MISA girls, at least get yourself vaccinated for hep b. You cannot get vaccinated for all forms of hep and you will have to take your chances re other STIs, including HIV, for which there are no vaccines, but getting your hep B shots is better than nothing.
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OBSERVER responded on 04 March 2009

NEMI, WHY WASTE SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME ON POSTS FILLED WITH VENOM. WE ARE ALL QUITE AWARE OF THE DANGER OF UNPROTECTED SEX, IF NAZ WISHES TO INDULGE THEN FAIR PLAY TO HIM. HE WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THE COSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS. AS FAR AS I KNOW THE TARA CENTRE IS YOUR AVERAGE RUN OF THE MILL CENTRE WITH THE VARIOUS LEVELS BEING A CLEVER MARKETING PLOY TO GET PEOPLES HARD EARNT MONEY FROM THEM. MANY YOGA TEACHERS SEEM TO CHARGE WHATEVER THEY THINK THE MARKET WILL STAND.BIKRAM IS A PRIME EXAMPLE, ONE DAY WORKSHOPS BY CERTAIN OTHER TEACHERS COSTING £90 OR MORE ARE QUITE NORMAL IN LONDON. AS FOR TARA ,WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE ABOUT THEM ,DO YOU KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL TEACHERS .I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY ARE A VERY WATERED DOWN VERSION OF THE MISA YOU KNOW.
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nemesis responded on 04 March 2009

Venom? I'm merely pointing out the risks associated with unprotected sex, especially with multiple partners. If naz decides to indulge in unsafe sex it's not just him who will suffer but his sexual partners. Fair play doesn't come into it. What gives you the idea that the Tara center is a diluted version of MISA? They have links to MISA, NATHA etc. on their website clearly stating the relationship between them and the other MISA subsidiaries. The Tara Yoga Centre is the London branch of MISA, as clearly stated on Mihai Stoian's blog and the various MISA sites that anyone can look at if they wish. On the Tara Centre's own website they state that they are expanding and are inviting people in the UK to apply to attend courses in MISA ashrams outside the UK. It's there for anyone to see. Anyone who wants to can also find the NATHA websites stating that new applicants to the ashrams have to take HIV and syphilis tests. This is not a usual requirement for any of the yoga retreats that I have attended and surely it rings alarm bells that it is a requirement at the MISA / NATHA ashrams? I mean wake up people! No I don't know the individual teachers and for what it's worth I imagine that they are well intentioned but deluded. I don't think that they are bad people. Sad people, but not bad. I feel compassion towards them more than anything and I hope that they wake up and start living outside the matrix before their lives and reputations are completely ruined.
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observer responded on 04 March 2009

I THINK ITS TIME WE HEARD FROM A TEACHER AT THE TARA CENTRE SO WE READERS OF THIS SITE CAN GET A BALANCED VEIW POINT. WE CERTAINLY DO NOT NEED A CRASH COURSE IN THE PERILS OF UNPROTECTED FORNICATION .THATS GOING ON ALL OVER THE PLACE,POP ALONG TO ANY NIGHTCLUB ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AND SEE THE WAY PEOPLE BEHAVE. SO COME ON TARA CENTRE TEACHERS LETS HEAR YOUR VEIW POINT FOR A CHANGE ,I FOR ONE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE SAD OR DELUDED. I WOULD ATTEND MYSELF BUT LIVE OVER TWO HUNDRED MILES FROM LONDON. ALSO MORE IMPOTANTLY CAN WE HEAR FROM STUDENTS OF THIS CENTRE. HOW DO YOU FIND THE CLASSES ,GOOD VALUE , ANY HINTS OF SEXUAL APPROACHES ???? THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE WITH YOU GUYS ,YOU ARE THERE ON THE GROUND.
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nemesis responded on 07 March 2009

I agree I think it would be extremely helpful if one or more of the Tara Yoga Centre teachers would post here and engage in a serious debate about the issues and concerns that so many people in the UK have about MISA, NATHA and the Tara Yoga Centre. Former members have posted here, as have people whose loved ones have been recruited and have cut off all ties to their families. Current members and / or those supporting MISA have posted here, although their comments have largely been concerned with dismissing the views of people who disagree with them. I think it would be extremely helpful to hear from the teachers at the Tara Yoga Centre. There are a lot of questions that I would like to ask them and I'm sure that others here have many questions also.
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observer responded on 07 March 2009

YOUR POINT OF VIEW IS ALSO ONE SIDED, AND I EXPECT YOU WILL DISMISS THE VEIWPOINT OF ANYONE FROM THE TARA CENTRE, WE ALREADY KNOW WHERE YOU STAND . TARA HAVE NOT FLOUTED ANY LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY,AND UP UNTIL NOW THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS EITHER.
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nemesis responded on 07 March 2009

"UP UNTIL NOW THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS EITHER" duuuur Read the thread dude! While you're at it read the other thread too. Some of the allegations are extremely serious. What planet are you on to make such an unreal statement? There again Bivolaru's websites have articles about a conspiracy of Jews and aliens uniting to threaten the world, it's really kerayzee stuff that makes David Icke look like Richard Dawkins in comparison so your position is hardly a big surprise. As for the teachers, I think they are deluded, but I'm an open minded person. If they are so confident of the rightness of their actions they should have no problem with posting here. If they have nothing to hide then they should post here and put their side of things across. I'm not the only poster here and my opinions matter little in the grand scheme of things. There have been very serious allegations of sexual abuse of women and young girls at MISA owned ashrams and all we hear from the Tara Centre teachers is a resounding silence. So some on Tara Centre yoga teachers, don't be shy, step up to the plate and have your say. I for one am all ears.
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observer responded on 08 March 2009

YEAH RIGHT DUUUUUR, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST THE TARA CENTRE IN LONDON UK,WHAT LAWS HAVE THEY BROKEN IN THIS COUNTRY??.WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE??PUT UP OR SHUT UP!! I WAS NOT REFERING TO MISA ABROAD BUT TARA CENTRE IN LONDON. AS I STATED BEFORE ,WE ALL KNOW ABOUT YOUR ONE SIDED OPINION AND VIEWPOINT ,PERHAPS YOU SHOULD GO THERE IN PERSON AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF INSTEAD OF RANTING AND RAVING .YOU ARE OPEN MINDED BUT YOU CONSIDER THEM DELUDED ,WHAT A CONTRADICTION.DUUUUUUUUR YOU FOR ONE ARE ALL EARS L.O.L. BUT UNFORTUNATLY A CLOSED MIND.
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nemesis responded on 09 March 2009

This is getting tiresome and I'm getting fed up with repeating myself. The facts are as follows: The Tara Yoga Centre (TYC) is a subsidiary of MISA, just like the various other subsidiaries, NATHA, etc. and as such is under the ultimate control of Gregorian Bivolaru. There is no dispute about this. It is clearly stated on the TCY website as anyone who wishes to check it out can discover. MISA and its subsidiaries produce pornographic films. There is no doubt about this at all. Anyone who wishes to see an example of one of the films can see it free on google videos. It is called Magic Passage Making Off and stars Mihai and Adina Stoian (amongst others). As far as I know this is the only film that is available to view free. The other films are on sale via pornographic websites. A full list of these films is available to read on the exmisa forum on a thread titled MISA Filme Porno. I did not just take the word of the exmisa people for this. I found the DVDs they listed for sale and available via a Danish porn DVD site. The producer of the films was stated as Bella Maestrina, the same person who produced the Magic Passage. The studio logo on the films was Erotic Art - Feel the Passion. The same logo as the Magic Passage. Don't take my word for this, check it out for yourself. Anyone wishing to research and generally read up on the people trafficking and other charges against Gregorian Bivolaru and his associates need only search on google for "MISA prosecution file", It is a very long document, but interesting reading nonetheless. I would sincerely recommend that people do read, and read very thoroughly, the information of Bivolaru's own website, Mihai Stoian's blog and the TYC website (all easy to find via google). I do not wish to convince or influence people other than to suggest that they proceed with extreme caution and are very thorough in their research. I think that people are generally able to make their own minds up about things providing that have access to the relevant information. The truth, as they say, is out there
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mahacutra responded on 17 March 2009

Unfortunately nemesis is right. I was MISA student for about 14 years and yoga instructor for about 5 years at the german branch in Essen and confirme that nemesis is not telling lies. Sure, self experience it better than what others say. I also acted like this and it took me all that 14 years to realise what MISA and its branches really are. And I am not the only one in this situation.
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Telegraph responded on 17 March 2009

Blimey mate, 14 years to realise, what were you doing, walking around blindfolded, when did the penny drop??
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mahacutra responded on 17 March 2009

In my case it was yoga by mail, because I live in Germany. I had direct contact with MISA people only in the camps. As I saw Bivolaru for the first time I had the feeling he is a disabled man and I was ashamed that I was thinking like this. All around him were fond of him (my husband too), looking at him as if he were God on earth or something like that. I thought of me, that I am not spiritual enough to feel the "divine vibration". I didn't like the atmosphere at the camps, the childish way they talked each other, the much to intimate way they touched and kissed, they superficiality in relationships. Year after year I heard rumours about them, as Bivolaru "initiating" MISA girls. My husband would have taken me by the hand to the master for an "initiation" if he wouldn't have known that I am not such a woman. He told me a few times it would be good for me, but I took it as a joke. Then I heard about videochat from a Romanian instructor, who presented the whole thing as an activity subtle supported by the master, but I didn't really know what the girls were doing there. The penny droped as I had the first proof: one of my yoga students was initiated by Bivolaru and "accidentally" or "coincidentally" my husband started a relationship with her and didn't tell me about the girls initiation.
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mahacutra responded on 17 March 2009

Nemesis, the MISA porn movies are uploaded on exmisa. and you can download them for free. You only have to search after: To pee or not to pee for ecstasy Kingdom of golden pee Shiny pee see Exaltation of pee Erotic secrets Secret of Seductio (incluing a videoclip where a MISA yoga instructor from Romania, who is a kind of director of one of the publishing houses of MISA called Lux Sublima) Magic Passage I few days ago we received the Ecstasy Water movies - a kind of MISA manifest, who won some prizes at the FICEB 2003 - The international erotic film festival. There you can see how far they can go. That moviese are proofs for the fact that MISA is encouraging sex pee orgies, for example.
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mahacutra responded on 17 March 2009

For those who want to find out what MISA wants to hide: study the information posted on WikiMISA-Encyclopedia on exmisa. There you will find for example: - testimonies of exmisa people, - some excerps from the MISA indicment - why MISA and all its international branches (including Tara Centre in UK) were expelled last year from the International Yoga Federation - that Seppo Isotalo, swedish dr in political science and sociology, isn't supporting MISA anymore at the OSCE and that he considers MISA a sect - that almost nacked MISA girls are covergirls on yogaesoteric the official website of the "biggest yoga school from Romania and Europe" and that you can find some of them on francolive, cam-hot, ikandi.web, divine asses (the last 2 are MISA erotic sites that were removed after they were disclosed on the forum)... or in the MISA porn movies - links to or screenshots from MISA erotic videochat sites - links to francolive and cam-hot, where various MISA girls are making karma yoga - the latest revelations of the MISA school - and of course the original MISA teaching materials (the most of them available only in Romanian),documentaries, articles and so on
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Naz responded on 18 March 2009

Hey Dude, Thanks for all the links,can't wait to get started. boy who needs advertising when we have you. luv ya, Naz.
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nemesis responded on 18 March 2009

mahacutra Thank you for your courage in posting here I am going to stop posting here for a while for a number of reasons but I just wanted to comment on your post about the availability of the MISA porn films on the exmisa site The people running the exmisa site have done a fantastic job of collecting all kinds of evidence and should be congratulated on this. However, some of the porn films contain evidence and footage of crimes being committed. It may be a criminal offense to download the films in certain countries and my understanding is that it is a criminal offense to download such films here in the UK. I would advise anyone here against downloading the films. We have specialist police researchers here whose job it is to examine such material and the job of doing so should be left to them.
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nemesis responded on 18 March 2009

Did you get your hepatitis shots yet naz? Or does the idea of catching potentially life threatening STIs from vulnerable, exploited young women rock your boat?
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mahacutra responded on 19 March 2009

Naz, exmisa.ro is a forum where pro&cons on MISA and Bivolaru are disscused. MISA and MISA people don't allow on their sites/blogs messages containing critical opinions concerning their activities. On our forum both sides can post their opinion, that's how it's fair. Thanks to this advertising, how you call it, MISA and all its international branches were kicked out of the International Yoga Federation and Seppo Isotalo stopped supporting them on OSCE.
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mahacutra responded on 19 March 2009

Observer, is your Caps Lock blocked or are you shouting at Nemesis? Conincidentally, MISA and its fanatic students are usually doing this in articles or when they speak to people having an other opinion.
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OBSERVER responded on 19 March 2009

IS YOUR CAPS LOCKED INNIT?? WHATS THAT. NO NOT SHOUTING JUST PREFER IT THIS WAY. I THOUGHT THIS POST HAD EVOLVED INTO TARA CENTRE UK. AT LEAST THATS WHAT NEMISIS AND I WERE POSTING ABOUT. LOOK I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MISA, BUT STILL SUGGEST THAT THE TARA CENTRE IS PROBABLY A WATERED DOWN VERSION. THEY ARE PROBABLY OUT TO MAKE MONEY JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER YOGA TEACHER, AND CENTRE IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT NOT SOME BUNCH OF EXTREMIST SEX PERVERTS AS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE. IF THEY ARE THEN PRESENT THE EVIDENCE ,HAVE YOU BEEN TO TARA CENTRE,DO YOU PERSONALY KNOW THE TEACHERS THERE .DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHERE THE CENTRE IS LOCATED. NAZ ,GROW UP.
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mahacutra responded on 19 March 2009

OBSERVER, TARA CENTRE IS THE OFFICIAL ENGLISH BRANCH OF MISA. TARA CENTRE WAS KICKED OUT LAST YEAR FROM THE INTERNATIONAL YOGA FEDERATION. TARA CENTRE'S SPIRITUAL MENTOR IS A SELFINTITLED YOGA TEACHER, WHO FALSIFIED HIS SO CALLED DIPLOMAS. WE PROVED THEY ARE FAKE. ONE OF HIS DIPLOMAS(JUST AS EX.)IS SIGNED BY FRANCIS DESSART - A FRENCH SECTLEADER CONNECTED TO SCIENTOLOGY. RECENTLY TWO PORNSTARS, PAUL AND CLAIRE DIAMOND ON THEIR REAL NAME MIHAI AND ADINA STOIAN,LEADERS OF NATHA,THE DANISH MISA BRANCH, HELD A WEEKEND WORKSHOP ON TANTRA YOGA AT THE TARA CENTRES. ON THE WALLS THEY HAD PICTURES WITH A FEW MISA VIDEOCHAT GILS AND PORN STARS IN THE PEE MOVIES I TOLD YOU ABOUT. THEY MADE THE STUPIDITY TO POST PICTURES FROM THIS SPIRITUAL WEEKEND ON THE NET. AT THIS SPIRITUAL WEEKEND PARTICIPATED THE MISA SOPHROZIN THEATER. THE ACTORS OF THIS THEATER ARE THE PORNSTARS FROM THE MOVIES I TOLD YOU ABOUT.
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mahacutra responded on 19 March 2009

ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE RECRUITING GIRLS SINCE YEARS, TO SEND THEM TO BIVOLARU AND TO WORK ON EROTIC WEBSITES, IN STRIPPER BARS OR IN EROTIC MASSAGE FOR THE SUPER SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT.THAT IS THE WAY THEY ACT,IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I WASN'T AT TARA AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE TO FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE,BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE NET. FOR EXAMPLE TILL RECENTLY RAPHAEL ACHIREI WAS THE LEADER AT TARA CENTRE; NOW THEY ARE UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP,AS MISTER BIG PORNSTAR MIHAI STOIAN IS SAYING ON HIS BLOG. HE JUST POSTED AT TARA CENTRE TWO OF HIS NATHA PEOPLE AND HE IS TELLING NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO RAPHAEL ACHIREI. I BET HE ( AS THE LEADER OF THE AUSTRIAN BRANCH IN 2007) HAD ENOUGH OF THE SHIT THEY ARE DOING. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON THERE YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. MAYBE USUALLY A POST SPEAKS FOT ITSELF,BUT IF YOU WANT PROOFS AND I CAN NOT POST LINKS OF PICTURES HERE,IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE SOMETHING. ON THE FORUM I COME FROM ARE POSTED LINKS AND PICTURES SO EVEN AN OUTSIDER CAN CHECK THE INFORMATION. I HOPE THAT NOW THAT I USED YOUR PREFERED WAY TO WRITE THINGS WILL BE CLEARER TO YOU. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT MIHAI STOIAN'S BLOG,IT IS IN ENGLISH, HE HAS PICTURES THERE FROM THAT SPIRITUAL WEEKEND. I AM VERY COURIOUS WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE PICTURES INTITLED -THE TATTVAS DANCE/GAME-.
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nemesis responded on 19 March 2009

Observer Just to clarify a few things I am not suggesting that the staff of the Tara Yoga Centre are "some bunch of extremist sex perverts" at all. I wouldn't call anyone a "bunch of extremist sex perverts" as I generally think that whatever consenting adults get up to is nobody else's business but theirs. If people want to pee on each other, have group sex, anything really, as long as it is adults and everyone consents then it is not mine or anyone else's business My concerns regarding MISA and their UK subsidiary TYC relate to the issue of informed consent. If MISA and TYC were open about their links with the sex industry, and were open about the emphasis placed on karma yoga (unpaid labour including sex work), if they were open and honest about the massive sums of money that the small number of people who run things are making from the unpaid labour of others, then I would have less of a problem with them.
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nemesis responded on 19 March 2009

I get the feeling that you honestly believe that the TYC staff have no real connections to the inner ring of VIPS at MISA. This may be true for some of them, but it is not true for all of them. The photos on the NATHA website prove otherwise. You should take a look. You might be very surprised at what you see. Recent photos added to Mihai Stoian's blog of the Tantra Weekend in London (of which I have taken copies of course) are also very revealing. I would add links here but the mods will just delete them. Please go and take a look yourself. I am not having a go at you. I suspect that you have met some of the staff and that you genuinely like them as people. Please try to remember that cults do not recruit people by being horrible to them. They recruit people by being really friendly and lovely. I honestly do not know the individual situations and circumstances of all the staff of the TYC. I suspect that most of them genuinely believe that they are doing good work in recruiting people.
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nemesis responded on 19 March 2009

It is only a small minority of MISA VIPs who are raking in the money. This minority of people are involved in very serious crimes indeed. The people below them are their victims and most of the TYC staff are probably in this category. I hope that you too do not become a victim of the criminals who run MISA. I hope it is not too late for you. Not just for your sake but for the sake of your family and loved ones who will suffer terribly if you get yourself too involved with this group Some people argue that sometimes people need to go through abusive experiences in order to learn. This may be true. Some people argue that most people who get involved with cults / new religious movements / whatever you want to call them, come out the other side enriched by the experience even if it was painful and abusive. This may be true. Unfortunately with MISA / TYC many people who get involved come out the other side with STIs (some incurable, life threatening or otherwise very undesirable) and some emerge with a history of being filmed in porn movies that will be around to haunt them for ever. Please take your time to think through your choices very carefully. I hope you make the right choices, and not allow yourself to be pressurised to make bad choices that, if you were not involved with this group, you would not usually make in a million years. I wish you well. I really do.
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observer responded on 20 March 2009

RIGHTY HO THEN, I LOGGED ONTO THE BLOG BT MIHAI STOIAN,AND CHECKED OUT THE TANTRA WEEKEND IN LONDON. WHAT MAY I ASK IS WRONG WITH A DANCE TROUPE PERFORMING A COSMIC DANCE OF SHIVA, WHAT IS WRONG WITH A LECTURE ABOUT SEXUAL CONTINENCE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH MEN AND WOMEN DISCUSSING SEXUAL ,RELATIONSHIP MATTERS, NOT PORN BUT SEX.????AFTER ALL THIS WAS A TANTRA COURSE ATTENDED BY TWO HUNDRED MATURE ADULTS. PUTTING THE TANTRA ASIDE ,I ALSO FOUND NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS BLOG WEB PAGE. TO ANYBODY ELSE READING THIS I SUGGEST YOU LOG ONTO MIHAI STOIANS WEBSITE BLOG PAGE AND SEE YOURSELF. NO PORN OR PEEING TO BE FOUND. MACHUTA,NEMISES PROBABLY THE SAME PERSON HAS BEEN FEEDING US A CROCK OF BULLSHIT!! THIS TIME I AM SHOUTING ANGRY AT MYSELF FOR ALMOST FALLING FOR WHAT IS REALLY QUITE SICK PROPAGANDER BY SOMEONE WHO NEEDS THERAPY. LIES PROPAGANDER ,ROMANIAN STATE MACHINE STILL ACTIVLY PERSUING THIS ORGANISATION .WELL LET ME TELL YOU IT WILL NOT WORK IN THE UK. GOOD LUCK TO YOU,LONDON TARA CENTRE. I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING A TRIP TO LONDON TO MEET YOU.
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AZOTH responded on 20 March 2009

Hi observer james bendover, TROLLING AROUND AGAIN??? strange hobbies you have, man... I wish that your loved ones get in deep contact with the "school", so that you are forced to falsify your simple-minded statements. Bless!
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OBSERVER responded on 20 March 2009

NEMI, SO NOW YOU WOULD HAVE LESS OF A PROBLEM WITH THE SEX INDUSTRY AND MISA AS LONG AS THEY ARE OPEN ABOUT IT. ALSO NO PROBLEM WITH THEM EXPLOITING OTHERS UNPAID LABOUR,AS LONG AS ITS DECLARED. DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT.
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OBSERVER responded on 20 March 2009

AZOTH, NEMISIS,ETC, WHY DONT YOU GET YOURSELF DOWN TO THE LONDON TARA CENTRE AND FIND OUT THE FACTS ,OR LOG ONTO THE RECOMENDED SIT AS I DID AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. WHATS WITH THE BENDOVER TAG, MORE SEXUAL INUENDO .SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT,I COME DOWN TO LONDON WITH MY LOVED ONE ,GET INVOVED WITH THE SCHOOL AND THEN FALSIFY MY SIMPLE MINDED STATEMENTS. WHY WOULD I DO THAT,TELL LIES ABOUT THEM. OH BEING A BIT SIMPLE MINDED THE PENNYS JUST DROPPED,YOU MEAN TO MAKE UP SOME STORIES ABOUT PORN,PEE, EXPLOITATION ETC. STANGE HOBBY YOU HAVE THERE AZOTH.LOL.
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Leena responded on 20 March 2009

Dear nemesis, You mentioned the HPV problem. On the exmisa.ro forum, there is a screenshot taken from MISA's short movie, "Pee Tea Ceremony", in which a bunch of girls, dressed and made up as geishas, are masturbating and urinating. Well, that screenshot presents a close look at one of the girls' vagina. Guess what... The presence of the virus is so clear... You can see the verrucas which developed in there...
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Leena responded on 20 March 2009

Dear OBSERVER (yes, you do seem a clone or even a troll), To quote Madonna, "you only see what your eyes want to see". There will always be people taking one side or the other. There will always be people ready to risk everything, including their soul, for an illusion. There will always be people taking advantage of naive believers. But, luckily, there will always be people like us, ready to dig the dirt up and warn the others against such "gurus" who claim to be God's incarnation on Earth. An incarnation who is crazy about sexual intercourse and money, an incarnation who sets rules valid only for the others, not for himself, an incarnation who takes spirituality beyond the sacred limits it should bear, perverting it (what do you know about MISA's secret rituals? About lesbianism? About threesomes?), an incarnation who, in the name of "yoga", steps over the fundamental principles of this discipline. You like the Tara centre? There's no way the splinter will fall far from the tree.
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Leena responded on 20 March 2009

Dear nemesis (again), Just wanted to mention something else. Grieg's birthday was on March 12. This year, he offered all women a "special gift", which took the form of a letter written by one of MISA's female students in Romania. The letter describes, in MISA's specific "wood language", this girl's intercourse with... GOD! She claims she has asked God to come and fuse with her, and that God immediately obeyed and... oh, yes! What cosmic orgasms did she have! What indescribable experiences! How great did she feel! And how much did this contribute to her awaking her state of shakti! What did Grieg say? That all women should follow her example!
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angelica responded on 13 April 2009

Please explain Leena, what is your problem with the content of this alleged letter? From what you have written, I don't see anything about pornography, threesomes, lesbianism, and the possibility of contracting STDs or any of the other matters that have bothered you in your previous posts. In fact the quotation you mention here I find extremely interesting and I know from my own personal experience that such an event can happen. As a woman, fusing with the divine consciousness is an indescribable experience, the beauty and bliss of such an experience takes us beyond the reality of this world. If you are interested I could share with you many amazing experiences I have had with Shiva (God)and I know many other women who also could. This is a very personal thing to have happen in your life and unless you have been there yourself it is of course difficult to understand. It seems to me that you are very angry and want to hurt MISA as much as possible. May I ask what happened to you? Were you in this school? Did somebody do something directly to you? Please explain what your involvement with this school has been because until now you only speak extremely badly about the school but I don't see any proof of your allegations. I just see a lot of emotional turmoil and uncontrolled anger which hardly gives you credibility as an authority on what really goes on inside MISA. Unless you can offer some comments with lucidity and clarity, we are not interested in your slander campaign!
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vibes responded on 13 April 2009

Wow, far out experiences angelica man. Had some friends take lots of lsd and smoke carrot shaped thingies back in the 60s with similar experiences, meeting god etc and being chased by the magic mushrooms they ate, while flying accross a rainbow coated in amphetamines. They thought it was a supreme divine concioussness experience till they regained conciousness man! Gregorian Biivolaru Misa obviously have some strong stuff man. Shame they cant get away from all the nonsense and ground themselves on earth and learn to stand on their own feet. To have an experience with god, one certainly does not need middle men like vicars,rabbis,fakirs and yoga organisations. God is not in temples, Misa,Iyengar yoga, Church of England but in people. God is in all people (if you believe in god).
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spook responded on 14 April 2009

You wanted a misa teacher to answer your questions, and it looks like your wish was granted. But she is so humble she would not reveal this directly. So tell us, Angelica dear, what happened to Raphael? Did he have the same fate as Dinu, Narcis, Simona, Claudiu and others that I might not know? Were all his efforts wasted and his achievements taken over by the one and only, your friend, teacher and lover Mihai Stoian? This guy is good, isn't he? He is not able to build anything on his own, but as soon as somebody got somewhere he is ready to show up and take the glory. Or was it just a "coincidence" that Nicoleta visited the ashram in Copenhagen and had a chat with Mihai before she wrote that letter to Grieg about Simona? Actually Simona was the one who started what is now the Tara Centre. As for the danger to public health, I think one must be pretty insane to have sex without the safety cap with such people. If you do, you can only blame yourself for what follows. The human trafficking side is a bit more tricky, and I can very easily imagine that they need young blood for London's night clubs. But then again, what kind of an idiot do you have to be to buy that "spiritual mission" crap? Misa might look big when you're in it, or close to it, but if you get to know other similar "movements" you realise that in fact it is very small, and there are a lot more powerful cults with equally ridiculous practices out there. But anyway it's good to know what is happening there.
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Observer responded on 15 April 2009

NEMISISLEENASAMEPERSON, ARE YOU ABEL TO ANSWER ANGELICA'S THIRD PARAGRAPH. ALSO REMEMBER IN YOUR POST OF 19TH MARCH YOU SAID AND I QUOTE''I honestly do not know the individual situations and circumstances of all the staff or the TYC.I suspect that most of them genuinely believe that they are doing good work in recruiting people.'' WHY NOT DRAG YOURSELF AWAY FROM YOUE COMPUTER AND GET YOURSELF DOWN THERE TO INVESTIGATE. FIND OUT THE TRUE PICTURE FIRST IF YOU REALLY THINK TYC IS GOING TO BE A DANGER TO PEOPLE.DO YOU CARE ENOUGH TO DO THAT? PROBABLY NOT I SUSPECT. AND ANGELICA, ARE YOU ATTENDING OR TEACHING AT TYC??
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vibes responded on 20 April 2009

Well, I hope Angelica has nothing to do with Tara centre because she talks of fusing with divine conciousness and shiva. If one one understands anything about Yoga- it originally has nothing to do with god. It is much later texts like Bhagavad Gita that make a connection with god. But if you read the original yoga sutras, its not mentioned. Sometimes we cant think of words (sometimes there are not the words) to describe certain sensations, so we jump on the spiritual bandwagon and describe experience with god etc. Also remember the word spiritual does not exist in sanskrit (apart from from very poor translations). Tara website talks of spirituality. It is a christianised approach to Yoga. For spirituality, why not become a vicar,rabbi,swami or a strict muslim. But please dont pollute yoga with views on spirituality and fusing with god- Lets close this subject now-TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!
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Mischa responded on 22 April 2009

Hi Vibes, I have seen several of your comments about the use of the word 'spiritual' by yoga schools/teachers on these forums. On looking up spiritual in a dictionary these are some of the definitions that can be found: 1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. 2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul. 3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific. 4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred. 5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural. N. 1.a. A religious folk song of African-American origin. b. A work composed in imitation of such a song. 2. Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical matters. Therefore, I don't believe you can conclude that 'spiritual' is only a Christian outlook. 'Spiritual' refers, in English, to anything related to the spirit, soul, religious or not. All religions can be described as being spiritual, as can many non-religious practises, ranging from martial arts, to tarot reading, to yoga. Would you say that the Native American people, who referred to the 'Great Spirit' where spiritual people or not? Some yoga, practised in gyms etc, I would say is not truly yoga, because it is simply about physical exercise. Any yoga that incorporates some understanding of the connection of the body and mind with a higher level of consciousness, can be said to have an element of spirituality. ...continued
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Mischa responded on 22 April 2009

...continued.. Probably there is no direct translation of 'spiritual' in Sanskrit because Sanskrit is a spiritual/ sacred language in itself. So in my opinion, the spiritual yoga schools are a far superior choice! Reading Paramahansa Yogananda's 'Autobiography of a Yogi' clarifies that true Yoga practise is very much about connecting with God, however you want to call/describe Him/Her/It. You are right that 'To have an experience with God, one certainly does not need middle men', but it can certainly help to be guided in this endeavour.
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vibes responded on 22 April 2009

Thanks for your insight Mischa. However having discussed the matter with several Sanskrit/indian philosophy university lecturers (both in England and India), I can happily say that 'spiritual' does not exist in sanskrit. But you may find it in 'poor' dictionaries. Also the Yoga sutras of Patanjali (the earliest of all known Yoga texts has no mention of God. However, much later texts like the Bhagavad Gita mentions union with god etc. So the Autobiography of a Yogi book must be refering to much later texts than the original Yoga texts. One of the best translations of the Yoga sutras was a very old one into arabic by Al biruni (a wonderful vegetarian muslim poet). You do not have to find this translation though, most english translations are quite good too. Like chinese whispers, original texts often change and so does their philsophy. However there are many forms of yoga some of which integrate god. All I was saying, is that originaly Yoga does not involve God. In the same way, we accumilate stress,we can accumilate joy and this can be mixed up with god. Good vibes to you
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vibes responded on 22 April 2009

Also, I am not very clued up on the Native American Indians. But know they are a different race from Asian Indians. re:' incorporates some understanding of the connection of the body and mind with a higher level of conciousness, can be said to have an element of spirituality' Why is that so? The body is part of the mind and vice versa and one can't function without the other.What is your definition of god? What is your definition of sprituality (please answer from your heart, not looking in other books definitions). When you pay attention to what you do your clever brain learns from what you do and 'awakens' parts of the body that are often 'asleep', read any good books on neurology and find out more about sensory motor learning and please let me know where is the 'spiritual' in it? Thanks for your wonderful - this is what forums like this are wonderful for!
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angelica responded on 25 April 2009

I couldn't agree with you more, Vibes, God is in all people. You and I are both God. You and I are both divine beings having a human experience... It is interesting you say that after taking drugs your friends regained consciousness. Indeed this is often how it is when you take such substances - an unconscious experience. So any 'meetings' with God during such a trip could seem far fetched upon return, especially if such a person has no spiritual foundation on which to fall back on. And why do you associate yoga and what happens in the MISA movement with drug taking? It's very narrow minded of you to only consider a Godly experience could only come from such circumstances. And I'll tell you something which most people have missed, Gregorian Bivolaru actually teaches that God is in all of us. Read some of his works, then you will understand more of what he is teaching people and of what MISA stands for. The truth is simple really. Bisous.
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vibes responded on 26 April 2009

Angelica- I was taking the mick out of Yoga schools that claim to be 'spiritual'. Just read the classic Karma Cola by Githa Mehta and you will soon discover what a con most of these yogis are. But if it makes you happy to spend time thinking/feeling you are fusing with god then please go for it! After reading some articles on his website I could tell that there is a lot of bull**** to what he has to say and makes out like he is some spiritual guru (anyone who does that is considered not to be trusted by any half decent yogi) . But some people like that kinda thing especially girls in bikinis with big boobies showing off in a yoga posture. LOVE and big boobies to all!
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spook responded on 26 April 2009

LOOOL Well if someone is still in doubt whether MISA people are brain washed or not, they can read Angelica's answers and decide for themselves :-)))) Good work, girl! You've said it all... Cheers Vibes! You did not really expect a reply, did you? ;-)
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vibes responded on 26 April 2009

No I didnt spook. Glad to see someone with some common sense round here!
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Leena responded on 27 April 2009

Dear angelica, You have asked me several questions. These questions were asked many times by other pro-MISA individuals. So there's no point in answering them, because you will end up discussing me and not the problems within MISA. The problem with having sex with God is this: I don't believe the Orthodox belief - which MISA VIPs and students claim to be following - goes well with having intercouse with God, even more, summoning God to fuse you, as a woman, and God immediately doing it - as if He were a female human's play mate and sex slave. It sounds blasphemous.
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Leena responded on 27 April 2009

And, angelica, here's a question for you: You go out in the street and it happens that you see some boys harassing a girl, maybe even trying to steal her purse, cell phone or whatever. What do you do? Do you at least dial an intervention number (Police, let's say) or simply walk by, because you are not the girl in trouble and you don't care? The same with me: do I have to wait for me personally to be fooled and hurt by MISA, in order to react, or is it enough for me to meet people who have been affected by this "pickled sex" Movement, to care? Do I have to wait for someone like Bivolaru to turn me into a porno star, taking advantage of my naivety and spiritual expectations, or is it enough for me to learn from other people's negative experiences? I believe it is enough. And I believe it does my karma well to warn people against such frauds.
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OBSERVER responded on 28 April 2009

THE POINT IN YOU ANSWERING QUESTIONS BY ANY PRO MISA INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE TO AT LEAST GIVE ANY READERS OF THIS THREAD AN IDEA WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM,IE WHAT WAS YOUR PERSONAL INVOVEMENT IF ANY,AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO YOU? THAT WAY YOU MAY GENERATE A LITTLE SYMPATHY INSTEAD YOU COME ACROSS AS A COMPLETE RAVING LUNATIC. SIMPLY HUMBLY ASKING YOU WHAT YOUR INVOVEMENT WAS DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE PRO MISA.
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Leena responded on 28 April 2009

Dear OBSERVER, I have answered those questions several times. metta is not the only forum I'm visiting. I am an active member of the ex-MISA group, without ever being a MISA insider, and present on three other forums. I have talked with people from MISA and found out for myself quite a lot of things.
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Leena responded on 28 April 2009

Dear angelica, To believe that you can fuse with God and thus live an extremely enlightening and uplifting experience is one thing. To bring this forth, publish it on MISA's official site and recommend that all women should do it is another. Like someone said, when you talk to God, it's prayer and confession. When God answers you (in our case, has sex with you), it's...
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observer responded on 28 April 2009

LEENA, ANJELICA MAY OR MAY NOT BE A MEMBER OF MISA OR TARA,IT WOULD BE NICE IF SHE HAD THE MANNERS TO REPLY. ALSO REGARDING YOURSELF,YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED HER QUESTIONS ABOUT YOURSELF. DONT SEE ANYTHING IN THE ABOVE POSTS REGARDING YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MISA.
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Ben responded on 29 April 2009

Nemesis - can you please get in touch with me about this? It is very important. There are things I must talk to you about urgently. Thanks
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Ben responded on 29 April 2009

Leena - could you please get in touch by email. I;m interested in your points and want to find out more. Thanks
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nemesis responded on 30 April 2009

Dear Ben I do not know who you are I am sorry but I am unable to make contact with people I do not know due to the risks involved. From my research about MISA I understand that they are lead by a group of violent and ruthless criminals, under the direct control of Gregorian Bivolaru and I have no intention of making my identity known to them. Should you wish to find out more about MISA, you can access a wealth of information via the exmisa.ro and the exmisa sites, also from MISA's own websites and videos. Should you have information regarding crimes committed then I would advice you to contact the police without delay. Should the crimes be sexual offenses, against yourself or against someone you know then I would advice you to contact your local police Sapphire Unit in the first instance. They will either be able to deal with the issue or will be able to refer you to the appropriate police unit. Sorry that I cannot be of any further help to you.
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nemesis responded on 30 April 2009

Ben I has assumed that you were in London and that this may not be the case. If you are in London and you or anyone you know have experienced any kind of sexual assault or offense in relation to the Tara Yoga Centre in London, then you can find your nearest specialist Met Police Sapphire Unit by entering "sapphire" and "police" into google uk. The Met Sapphire units exist to deal with sexual offenses and so you will get a sympathetic ear on the other end of the phone. If the Sapphire Unit is not the right unit to deal with your concern (if for example your concern is regarding say human trafficking - which may or may not involve sexual exploitation) then the Sapphire Unit should be able to refer you to the correct police department. If you contact your local police station regarding issue of sexual abuse/assault or trafficking they may not be experienced with dealing with the issue and, in my experience, may not know who to refer you to. If you live outside London then you should be prepared to spend significant time on the phone to various police officers in various departments before you find a suitable and helpful police contact. Above all do not give up. I hope this his helpful and I wish you well.
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OBSERVER responded on 30 April 2009

MISA LED BY A BUNCH OF VIOLENT CRIMMINALS?? ,HOW ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES NEMISIS,AFTER REPEATED REQUESTS YOU ARE STILL UNWILLING TO SHARE.ONE GETS THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAVE HAD NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AT ALL ,INSTEAD RELYING ON GOSSIP ER SORRY RESERCH. BY THE WAY THE POLICE HAVE ENOUGH REAL CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY TO DEAL WITH, AND BELIEVE ME THEY GET REAL FED UP HAVING THEIR TIME WASTED BY CRANKS LIKE YOU. ALSO CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE IS NO SPECIAL UNIT ,THE REASON BEING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS IN THIS COUNTRY AGAINST MISA OR TARA. L O L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Leena responded on 02 May 2009

nemesis, Just a bit of advice, regarding the "violent and ruthless criminals". I believe your words may be misunderstood. The main fault of the MISA members at the top (VIPs) is that they have known the truth about Bivolaru and the things inside MISA for quite a while and yet they kept the silence about it. So this makes them accomplices to: - pornography - prostitution and sexual exploitation - building and supporting the myth of Gregorian Bivolaru, portrayed as an Enlightened being, a Liberated soul, higher than other spiritual masters, second in rank to Jesus, completely and permanently one with the Divine Will - fooling the naive disciples (especially the females, and especially for sex) I don't know if this can really go under "violent and ruthless".
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Leena responded on 02 May 2009

OBSERVER, If you didn't see my answers in my previous posts, then you are either an Internet troll, or blind.
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observer responded on 03 May 2009

OH I GET IT NOW,ANYBODY THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU NEMISELEENA IS A TROLL OR SUPPORTER OF MISA. A BIT LIKE GEORGE BUSH SAYING''IF YOU AINT WITH US THEN YOU MUST BE AGAINST US''WHERE ARE THE DETAILS IN YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS EXPLAINING YOUR ACTUAL INVOVEMENT WITH NISA AND EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?? ALSO THOUGHT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT GREG MAY BE HERE PERSONALY THIS NOVEMBER ,SO YOU WILL HAVE THE PERFECT CHANCE TO GATHER FREINDS AND CONFRONT HIM. DONT FORGET ,WE AWAIT YOUR ANSWER OR ARE YOUR POSTS BASED ENTIRELY ON RESERCH?
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mahacutra responded on 03 May 2009

OBSERVER, ON ONE HAND YOU SHOUT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW MISA OR TARA AND ON THE OTHER YOU ASSURE AS TWICE THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS AGAINST MISA OR TARA IN UK. HOW SHALL I UNDERSTAND THIS? I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE CHIEF OVER UK'S POLICE OR HUMAN TRAFFICKING DEPARTMENT WOULD SHOUT ON A FORUM AFTER PROOFS AND WOULD BE SO CONFUSED (NOT TO USE HARDER TERMS)TO THINK THAT NEMESIS=MAHACUTRA OR NEMESIS=LEENA. YOU WOULD DO BETTER TO READ ATTENTIVELY WHAT PEOPLE ARE WRITING HERE AND INVESTIGATE ON THE FORUMS THEY INDICATED TO YOU BEFORE ACUSING THEM OR SENDING THEM TO VISIT TARA. WE CANNOT POST HERE ALL THE INFORMATION AND PROOFS WE PUT TOGHETER IN YEARS OF INVESTIGATING MISA. YOU HAVE TO SEARCH AFTER THAT INFORMATION THERE WHERE WE TOLD YOU. iT IS NOT ENOUGH TO READ A FEW ARTICLES ON STOIAN'S BLOG TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON WITH MISA AND ITS BRANCHES.
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mahacutra responded on 03 May 2009

OBSERVER, MAY I ASK, (IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MISA OR TARA AND ABOUT A MONTH AGO YOU STATED YOU DON'T KNOW MISA OR TARA AT ALL) HOW COULD YOU GET THE INFORMATION WHERE GRIEG IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN NOVEMBER? HE NEVER GIVES SUCH INFORMATION TO OUTSIDERS,SPECIALLY WHEN IT HANDELS WITH A COUNTRY WHERE HE "REVEALED" THAT THE FREEMASONS ARE THE MOST POWERFUL IN EUROPE. AND BTW WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "HERE",IS HE YOUR PERSONAL GUEST? YOU SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST THAT YOU AREN'T LIVING IN LONDON. MAYBE YOU COULD ARRANGE A MEETING WITH HIM FOR ME; LEENA AND A FEW OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO "SHAKE" HIS HAND.:P
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nemesis responded on 04 May 2009

This just got very interesting Regarding observer's claim that GB plans to come here in November, IMO, the possibilities are; 1. He is giving false information knowingly to confuse us 2. He has been given false information by members higher up the food chain so he can post here believing it to be true. 3. He is posting secret information that he has heard and heads will roll and plans will be changed. I suspect that this is false information, posted knowingly or unknowingly by observer, although of course I could be wrong about this
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nemesis responded on 04 May 2009

leena re violent and ruthless My understanding is that GB has a group of thugs who he travels with who are quick to resort to violence. I think you know that this is true yes? Beating up a young man and then throwing him in the sea is an act of violence IMO. Exploiting young women and girls in the sex industry by brainwashing them is ruthless is it not? You and I look at MISA in a different way. You know them as a yoga group gone astray and ending up as a sex business. I look at them and see pimps and people traffickers who use unorthodox yet highly effective ways of controlling their victims. One of the interesting things about MISA is that it looks like a completely different entity depending on your personal and professional experience and on where you stand. For some MISA is a yoga group, for some it is a sect / cult, for some it looks just the same as any other group of Eastern European pimps only with a surface coating of new age quasi-mystical nonsense. For me the last description seems the most apt, but it may be that MISA is all of these things at any one time.
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Leena responded on 04 May 2009

nemesis I got your point now. The psychological pressure within MISA is huge. And yes, it is a sect, I didn't finish my report on that, I stopped somewhere towards the end and never polished it. OBSERVER When I said that I became an ex-MISA member without ever being inside MISA, what did you understand? LOL.
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Leena responded on 04 May 2009

nemesis If you think you can trust me and/or mahacutra (I mentioned our forum IDs, not our real names), please get in contact with us. If you think it's better not to get too involved, no offence will be taken. :) peacefingers.
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Advaita responded on 04 May 2009

Nemesis, the bunch of people who protect the leader are not usually violent. Some of them exaggerated several times, that's true. They threw one person in the sea once, as you mentioned. I don't know anything about beating him up. G's bodyguards usually shout angrily at people. Very rarely do they touch them. A former MISA follower.
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mahacutra responded on 04 May 2009

Advaita, maybe their aren't violent usually and maybe they won't become so violent as a football fan or something like this, at the moment. Kim, once the right hand of Stoian (leader of NATHA, the danish MISA branch) wrote on the bhoga site in DK about Mihai Stoian who kidnapped some persons he believed to be a danger for the movement. I saw a few years ago at a spiral in Costinesti about six so called MISA bodyguards "jumping" on an intruder and retraining him. It is true it took them 5 minutes to finish the job, but they were very convinced about what they were doing. They didn't saw the people around them anymore, I had to take my daughter out of their way. And a few months ago, a simple guy from MISA beated an exmisa friend of mine (who "calomniated" MISA in a tv show in Romania) because she told to his wife (when she asked) how much the yoga course tax really is. I don't want to imagine how far they would go if they would think somebody is really a danger for MISA or the so called master.
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Leena responded on 04 May 2009

Advaita, I confirm what mahacutra said about the MISA guy who beat up a woman - ex-MISA - a while ago, using his fists and feet. I saw the medical documents stating the injuries - not very severe, it's true, but still... That woman is one of the most courageous ex-MISA members, because she went public, on TV, and revealed some disturbing truths about MISA. Yet, the "violence" at MISA is somehow projected into the more occult dimension. Meaning that the bully ones are few, but the ones meditating with various deities and black currents against the ex-MISA forums are many...
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

Hi everyone,I followed MISA's yoga classes for few years, started in Romania and continued in UK. I stopped in 2007 however I do know few people who are continuing their weekly training, if I can call it so.It isnot difficult to define TYC's status in UK as they are a registered charity,a non-profit organization supported entirely by volunteers whopromote "spiritual transformation through esoteric yoga".
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

The main problem with TYC and every other tentacle generated by this octopus called MISA is the legality of teaching yoga in UK and anywhere else in the world.The parent organization and subsequently, TYC is not recognized by any regulatory body in the UK or anywhere else.
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OBSERVER responded on 04 May 2009

AND THATS IT IN A NUTSHELL! TYC IS A RUN OF THE MILL YOGA CENTRE AND NO THREAT TO ANYBODY WHATSOEVER. IF YOU STILL HAVE AN INTEREST IN MISA ALCHEMIST THEN STAY TUNED FOR NEWS OF A SPECIAL VISIT IN NOVEMBER. I FIND IT AMUSING THAT LEENA HAS INVENTED SOME NEW ALTER EGO'S TO WRITE TO.SO SAD THAT SHE NEVER GOT ROUND TO EXPLAINING HER PERSONAL INVOVEMENT WITH MISA,OR WAS THAT HER OTHER ALTER EGO NEMISES.L O L .
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spook responded on 04 May 2009

Yeah, you bet G. is coming in November. Are they putting him in jail in the UK or what? Alchemist, are you still in touch with your ex TYC fellows? Do you know what happened to Raphael? If you do not want to post this in the forum, please feel free to email me :-) Thanks
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

Please, dont even think to mention the ATMAN Federation as we all know that is a made up one between MISA and MISA and MISA and yes, you guess right MISA clusters in other countries including Romania.Of course,they are not the only ones in this situation,there are lots of cowboys out there and I must admit it did take me few good years to realize what all isabout in MISA and YTC
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

All I know is that Raphael (by the way, did you know this is not is real name?) is still going to some classes. As you probably know he is not leading any more being replaced by some dude from Romania who apparently struggles quite a bit with his English Can anyone please explain me what is the problem with the text in this forum? Why I am unable to post with some of the symbols?
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spook responded on 04 May 2009

Alchemist, thanks for your reply. (Yes I know it's not his real name ;-) What do you mean he is still going to some classes? Is he still teaching or just attending as a practitioner? Any idea why he was replaced? I find this "replacement" veeery weird. And by the way, you did not happen to meet some belly dancers at the TYC, did you?
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

Dear Observer, honestly I am not impressed with the November event. It sounds that Bivolaru may pitch up for a new spiral near Stonehenge. So what? I was there when he came first time, if I remember well with Madalina Dumitru? This was before March 2004. This time who is going to be with him? A Swedish underage girlfriend? Do you think we should warn her about what is going to happen afer? :-)))
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

Err, apparently he is still attending as a practitioner. My source ;-P told me that Bivolaru replaced him following a complaint letter signed by many other practitioners within the group, most of them advanced Romanian practitioners who were unhappy with Raphael's despotic approach in leading. Although I did not agree with some of Raphael's approaches I personally believe that this was far from an ideal solution. But anyway...what do I know? :-)
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mahacutra responded on 04 May 2009

Spook, Rafael was one of the lovers of Simona Trandafir, president of MISA after Bivolaru, Claudiu Trandafir and Nicusor Catrina left Romania like real viras. She left the movement in 2007 stating that Bivolaru isn t an autentic and acomplished master. Mihai Stoian replaced Rafael, who in his eyes might be a traittor like Simona, with Cristian Boerescu, a guy whitout personality and easy to manipulate. Besides Boierescu consideres he is expert in urin therapy because he once held a speach at an obscure conference in Germany (when some german MISA students prepared his papers).
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spook responded on 04 May 2009

Alchemist, I think I know exactly what you mean. He was not my favorite person in the world either.... But I kind of feel sorry for him. I am thinking we might know each other. I used to know several people from the London centre. Anyway, thanks for your replies once again.
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Alchemist responded on 04 May 2009

We probably do know each other ;-) How do I send you a personal e-mail? Sorry, I am new to this forum and I must say, I do find it not user friendly at all I have started a new thread on the http://www.exmisa.ro/viewforum.php?f=21
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nemesis responded on 05 May 2009

Of course you have to wonder, if the TYC is not recognised by any regulating body, who are they insured with? or do they not have insurance?
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spook responded on 05 May 2009

Dear Alchemist, you will find it even more unfriendly when they remove your link to the exmisa forum ;-) Under some of my messages (like this one) there a link to email me. Would be nice to read from you :-)
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Alchemist responded on 05 May 2009

Not sure if they have insurance or not, it would be stupid of them not to Is not difficult to get one anyway...
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Leena responded on 05 May 2009

I wish they introduced the "Report" button and kicked the Internet troll / clone OBSERVER out of here... Visit in November? Right. Is he allowed to leave Sweden? Legally, I mean?
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Alchemist responded on 05 May 2009

Yeah, this forum looks basic and cheap, no offence to the moderators and the rest I don't know if he is yet allowed to leave Sweden. Not sure how it all works but I think he will be able to travel safely only after he obtains his citizenship. When has he been granted asylum? 2006? I think you obtain permanent residence 1 year after and citizenship 4 or 5 years thereafter. That totals it to what? 2010 - 2011? So I think the November visit is a big fizz :-))) How is that Observer?
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vibes responded on 06 May 2009

Forget MISA yoga. The best way to enlightment is to join Barnsley Football club supporters club.
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Alchemist responded on 06 May 2009

LOL! That is the problem with us (I mean exmisa), the ex-followers of a fake system: we can't just let it go. We have spent too much time and invested too much in this, invariably we remain attached to it lurking around now and then hoping that maybe, at some point we've got it somehow right and we are if not on the right pathway at least close to it. But the above is just an opinion, based, of course, on present available information. Who knows what the future will unveil? :-PPP
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angelica responded on 09 May 2009

If any of you reading this are actually interested in finding out the truth about MISA and its schools then I suggest you go to one of the schools, practice what they teach, speak to its members in person, read the texts, and decide for yourself, through direct experience what this school is about. Otherwise, it is all just speculation.. Reading ex-misa and the posts by people like mahacutra, leena, nemesis etc - who in fact is the same person - Cecilia Ghitelescu - the ex-wife of the leader of the MISA yoga school in Essen, Germany, will not lead you anywhere except into confusion because that is what she suffers from. If you really are interested in the truth, then go find out for yourself - directly! Cecilia is now running a slander campaign about MISA - through different forums and other even more underhand measures - because her husband left her for a younger and more beautiful woman. Cecilia suffered from a severe case of jealousy and is now getting her revenge by trying to destroy MISA because she probably blames it for her problems instead of looking at herself and solving her own problems with wisdom and intelligence.
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angelica responded on 09 May 2009

So, if any of you here is actually interested in a real debate, not just in participating to a campaign set out to destroy an organisation and its members, then we could speak, but as long as this forum is all about Cecilia and all her problems then I'm not interested and I don't think any members of Tara or MISA would be either. And do any of you wonder where Fred went? Or was 'he' just another one of Cecilia's monikers? If you really lost your wife to a sect wouldn't you be desperate???! Why to start a forum with such serious allegations, only to never follow up...?? Success to all of you!
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mahacutra responded on 09 May 2009

Angelica, if you are actually interested in a real debate, not just in gossips about exMISA forums or Cecilia, then focus on the subject disscused here till OBSERVER and you started with the paranoia Nemesis=mahacutra=Leena=...=Fred. Nobody else talked about Cecilia. You first state, you aren't interested in talking about Cecilia and the problems she would have and then you start to present the problems that she would have acording to your oppinion. What's wrong with you honey? Didn't manage to "get out" of the state of trance today? :P
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mahacutra responded on 09 May 2009

Angelica, It would be good if you would practice what you preach. If you actually are interested in finding out the truth about exMISA users or Cecilia, speak to them in person before giving such "verdicts" here. If you would have done so, you would have known for exmaple that Nemesis, Leena, ... aren't mahacutra and you would have known that exMISA users know MISA very well because they practiced for a couple of years at MISA. Did you really find out "the truth" about Cecilia "for yourself - directly"? So how can you have the cheek to post such improper and over all false declarations here?
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Advaita responded on 09 May 2009

Angelica, I have a question for you. Is it true that Grieg, together with his disciples, did meditations in order to deviate the course of an asteroid? Thank you.
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Leena responded on 09 May 2009

Advaita I don't know if Grieg really meditated in order to deviate that asteroid and the earthquakes, but his students did. My fiance - ex-MISA (been with the Movement for 15 years) told me about it. And about many other things. angelica What type of xerox machine are you using, honey? You are at least pathetic, with your allegations... Yes, I do know Cecilia, yes, we have been to the seaside together, yes, we keep in touch, but, for Heaven's sake, neither of us has double (or multiple) personality...
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nemesis responded on 09 May 2009

angelica Of course you want people to go to the Tara Yoga Centre and other MISA schools, you want them to practice what they teach, read their texts etc. because that is how you brainwash people. We don't want you to hurt and damage people so that's why we are warning people about you and your dodgy yoga schools / organised criminal group / cult. I cannot speak for Cecilia and have never even met the woman. I have never been to a MISA yoga school. I have however seen with my own eyes significant evidence that MISA and its subsidiaries are recruiting vulnerable people, grooming and brainwashing them and exploiting them in pornography and the sex industry. I have seen this evidence on the exmisa boards but also by researching MISA promotional videos and the various adult sites connected to Bivolaru. The same girls turn up in the MISA videos as turn up on the porn sites. MISA senior yoga instructors appear in porn films and work in sex clubs like Wild Venus (google for it). MISA students work on live sex cams and also in the Lucky Love in Bucharest (a kind of training / breaking in for working for months at a time in sleazy strip clubs in Japan). If you think that people in the UK and Ireland will just sit back and allow you and your pimping friends to exploit people in this way, you are even more deluded than your posts suggest.
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observer responded on 09 May 2009

AT LAST ANGELICA ,A VOICE FROM THE OTHER SIDE BRINGING BALANCE AND A LITTLE SANITY TO THIS WHOLE DEBATE.EXCEPT ITS NOT A DEBATE ,JUST A LOAD OF RANTING FROM NEMISES LEENA ETC WHO YOU AND ANYBODY ELSE READING THESE POSTS WILL REALISE IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PERSON.OF COURSE ANYBODY WITH A DIFFERENT VEIWPOINT IS VEIWED AS A TROLL OR WHATEVER IN HER EYES. ANYWAY ANGELICA THE RECORD WILL BE PUT STRAIGHT LATER ON THIS YEAR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING SOME CLARITY TO THIS THREAD AND ACTUALLY NAMING THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE DISGUSTING SLANDEROUS POSTS.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Observer, I guess it would very convenient for you if mahacutra, Leena and all the rest of the people which criticise MISA on the forums would be in reality just one person.:) Something like that wrote even Mihai Stoian in 2008 in one of his letters addressed to Shri Ajita(mr. Philippe Barbier), when he reduced the number of MISA'critics on the net to just 7 or 8 and declared that those people write continuously for 20 hours a day(!) because presumably they are paid by romanian secret services, prosecutors and Adrian Nastase(former romanian prime minister). But he tried in vain then to persuade Shri Ajita to his point of view and MISA was finally kicked out of International Yoga Federation(all the letters are posted on Mihai Stoian's Blog). Personally i suspect that is either wishful thinking(you want to believe that MISA has only very few critics) or a common tactic to diminish the credibility of your debate opponents.:)
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Now about the choice I've made about my nickname("reptilian"), I didn't made it at random. I tried instead to make a little fun about something that I think it's one of the most weird things seen by me in MISA's sources: the adoption of David Icke's conspiracy theories about the reptilians(shapeshifter aliens which drink human blood and so on). First time i've heard about that I thought it was either a joke or it was something about the adoption of the theory by only some excentric persons who happened to be MISA students. That was until I saw on yogaesoteric an inflamed article about a presumed "reptilian propaganda"(I guess you can find it on yogaesoteric's english page also). But the story of MISA's adopted reptilians goes further because in 2008 on yogaesoteric(the official site of MISA) was posted an announcement that David Icke was invited to hold a lecture about his theories in a main event organised by MISA, the annual yoga camp held in Costinesti in august. In the end David Icke didn't honour that invitation.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

A very interesting(from my point of view) aspect, often neglected, about MISA is the one concerning its relations with romanian politics. I guess that most of you know, more or less, about the fact that in 2004 MISA's ashrams in Bucharest were raided by police squads and after that Gregorian Bivolaru was forced to flee in exile in Sweden after he was briefly imprisoned(for about three days if I remember correctly). But there existed some odd aspects in that story. For instance, the raiding of the ashrams coincided curiously with the conviction for a big bank fraud of a "heavyweight" romanian politician named Gabriel Bivolaru. And there is no coincidence in the fact that he has the same family name as MISA's spiritual leader beacause he is in fact his stepbrother. And his case is actually, as far as I know, the only big case of political corruption in Romania which ended with a sentence of jail time(many other politicians were on trial but were finally let free). And in the same period of time you could see, sometimes right one after the other, TV news concerning both the story of the politician fraudster and the story of Romania's famous "guru", the reporters even sometimes confusing the two and naming MISA's teacher wrongly as "Gabriel Bivolaru".
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Those facts related with the strange coincidence between the two media scandals made many people believe that there existed actually a direct factual connection between the two events. Gabriel Bivolaru was a member of PSD(Social Democratic Party), the ruling party at the time, party led by then prime minister Adrian Nastase, and 2004 was a year of elections, both for the parliament and for presidency. And Adrian Nastase was that year one of the main competitors for the title of Romania's president, struggling in a fight with Traian Basescu, the leader of the actual center-right party PDL( Liberal Democratic Party, in 2004 it was just PD, Democratic Party, before it fusioned with a splinter group from the Liberal Party). So, in consequence, MISA's students and even Gregorian Bivolaru himself were very quick to blame PSD and Adrian Nastase for an alleged abuse against MISA with the purpose of creating a "smoke screen" to cover the political scandal of Gabriel Bivolaru's fraud and divert the attention from the politician's problems. Personally I believe that MISA's scandal actually amplified the efect of the fraud scandal, not covered it at all, and if someone would want to find some cuplrits for an alleged attempt of political mass manipulation should maybe look to the other side(PSD's main competitors).
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

But MISA's adepts were so convinced of Adrian Nastase's alleged wrongdoing at their expense that soon after the raids I heard from a former colleague of mine from MISA's yoga course(which I had allready abandoned at that time) that certain groups of MISA students were meditating with "special yantras" in order to somehow paranormally influence Adrian Nastase. Much later I've found out from some internet forum critics of MISA(one of which was a MISA yoga instructor in the romanian town Calarasi and has given his full name and other personal details in a forum post) that the meditations were conducted with the goal of "removing Adrian Nastase from the political life" and were realised with at least two yantras from "Yantra Chintamani", a tantric magical text translated in french by Jean M. Riviere under the name of "Rituel de Magie Tantrique"(I think you can find the book easily on amazon). If I remember correctly, one of the two yantras consisted of two concentrical circles and four petals having inscribed the mantra YAH, and the other of two triangles pointed down, one inside the other, with the mantra HRIM inscribed on it. They apparently chose not to follow the ritual prescriptions from the book but instead printed the yantras, put a picture of mr. Nastase in the center of them and focused their attention on them with the eyes open.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Personally I don't believe that the "yantra initiative" had any real effect whatsoever, despite the fact that Adrian Nastase started since 2005 to have big problems with some corruption trials and he was effectively deprived of his former political influence(fact which reinforced some meditators belief that the yantra technique actually worked). But MISA's students didn't acted in that field alone. They also became "political footsoldiers" for the then antiPSD political coalition(Democratic Party plus Liberal Party), distributing leaflets and participating in street political rallies. And it seems that at least these actions had a real impact because they were declared to be a big factor in the PSD's failure at the 2004 elections both by Adrian Nastase himself(on his blog and in a recent TV interview) and Cozmin Gusa(in an article published in the Gardianul newspaper in september 2007) who was in 2004 the election campaign manager for the actual romanian president, Traian Basescu. Adrian Nastase, however, denied(both on his blog and on the TV) that he had anything to do with the police raids in the MISA's ashrams in 2004.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

But MISA's adventures in the realm of romanian politics didn't end in 2004. Cozmin Gusa(former PSD's general secretary, and later the right hand of PSD's main enemy in the 2004 elections, Traian Basescu) left also the PD party(now PDL; some said that he actually was kicked out) and together with Lavinia Sandru founded a new romanian party named PIN(The National Initiative Party). And as they seemed to have a great need of supporters and members, they turned to heir former allies from among the MISA's students. So much that in the autumn of 2007, when in Romania were held ellections for the european parliament(Romania was at the time newly included in the EU) on PIN's list of candidates were 9 MISA yoga school quite known students or instructors(that means 1/4 of the total number of PIN's candidates at that time). Maybe mr. Gusa was inspired by the american model of the use of different religious groups in the political campaigns(the example, of Bush's support from some groups of american neoprotestants is still fresh, I think), I don't know exactly, but he certainly declared quite openly(in an article in Gardianul in september 2007) that he was glad to know that he have MISA's support and that he expected to win with it's help.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Unfortunately for mr. Gusa, PIN failed quite miserably in the 2007's election. But he kept on with utilising MISA's support in the 2008's local election campaign, when he attempted to become Bucharest's mayor and some MISA students attempted to enter into the city's council. At that time in an article in Gardianul was published a message from mr. Bivolaru that circulated through e-mail between MISA students and former students, in which the MISA's students were allegedly advised to meditate at specific hours with the bija mantra of Tara(one of the ten hindu tantric goddesses known under the name of Mahavidyas) for PIN's success(much like american neoprotestants often pray for the success in the elections of their favourites). In the same article was included a small interview with mr. Gusa, who declared that he was a MISA sympathiser because of MISA's students position against freemasonry and homosexuality(which is actually only half true because only the male homosexuality is rejected and the female homosexuality is actually accepted into some erotic "tantric" practices and "exemplifications" described even on yogaesoteric, MISA's official website).
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

In the end, PIN and mr. Gusa failed again quite miserably in 2008 too, after which mr. Gusa seems to had parted ways with the party that he created and his MISA students friends and pollitical allies, because he publicly anounced that he was retiring from political activity. That was until news emerged that he in the present is a consultant for Mircea Geoana, the actual PSD's formal leader and most probably it's candidate for romanian presidency in this year's ellections. Mr. Bivolaru however seems to keep holding a deep grudge against PSD and in 2007, when started the trial of some MISA leaders accused of human trafficking, he published on yogaesoteric and article in which he wrote that PSD's leaders were plotting for MISA's destruction even since the 90's (at that time PSD was named differently, PDSR). That affirmation might seem a little odd because in the PSD in the 90's were very influential his own stepbrother(whom he claimed he didn't knew about until 2004, despite the fact that on forums some former MISA students claim otherwise) and also the "infamous" Adrian Nastase, who was described by some romanian journalists as being actually a former childhood friend of MISA's leader, both having family roots in the same romanian village, Tartasesti.
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Another minor political scandal erupted recently, when the main defence lawyer in the trial against MISA's leaders was dissmissed by the court because he is the vice-leader of PDL's group in the lower house of the romanian parliament, and romanian law prohibits the official involvment of parliament members in trials which include grave accusations such as human trafficking, with the purpose to avoid political interference in the justice system. If I'm not mistaken, I thing that the politician-lawyer is or was under some sort of disciplinary inquiry. In conclusion, for a little known(outside Romania at least) self-described "yoga school", MISA managed somehow to create for itself both powerful enemies and powerful supporters in the romanian political class. That can be viewed as quite a "performance" for just a minor "yoga school", don't you think so? ;)
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Observer, I've noticed that you've questioned Leena about her personal connection with MISA. I see that she actually wrote about this right here on metta's forum, both in the other thread, the older one("MISA mess-evil destroyed a school"), in a message posted aproximately a year ago, and in a new one here. If you were that curious about her motivations for getting involved in the public debates concerning MISA school, you just needed to read carefully the other thread. I personally know her lover, a former MISA student (we've first got to know each other in a period in which he and Leena weren't yet a couple), and corresponded heavily with him a few years ago. And from him I've found out some of the most interesting informations about a certain number of techniques utilised by some MISA students(various mantras, yantras, rituals etc.). He is also writing on the forums for quite a number of years and I'm actually quite surprised that none of your mates seems to have made the connection between them two until now. :)
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spook responded on 10 May 2009

Advaita, I was with MISA at that time and I can confirm that we meditated to deviate an asteroid (on a yantra of Shiva) and also for a much longer time to counteract a devastating earthquake that was supposed to hit Romania in 2001 or 2002 (meditations with Tara). But that was all before March 2004 when the police broke into MISA's ashrams. After that, the group turned heavily to black magic, doing meditations for Traian Basescu to win the presidency elections, for Adrian Nastase to end his political life, for PIN to make it to the EU Parliament, but most important for its own leader Gregorian Bivolaru to be released from jail (in 2005 he spent six months in jail in Sweden before he was granted asylum). Lately they do black magic against MISA's opponents, they focus on a special yantra for one and a half hours at midnight to destroy their enemies, including the internet forums, and to happily get away with the trials some of their leaders are on in Romania. What a "spiritual" way of dealing with their own problems! ;-)
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Advaita responded on 10 May 2009

Thank you all. What about women sent to politicians by Grieg? What do you know about it?
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John responded on 10 May 2009

Not really sure what all this stuff is about BUT it seems to have little to do with Yoga and more to do with critisising various people and groups. So, how about keeping to the forum purpose - Yoga!!!
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reptilian responded on 10 May 2009

Sorry, I've made two mistakes in my posts. One of my friends from whom I found out details about the use of some yantras was in the past a MISA yoga instructor in the romanian town Caracal, not Calarasi as I wrote above. And Gabriel Bivolaru is the halfbrother of Gregorian Bivolaru(they have the same father), not the stepbrother. In romanian both the stepbrother and the halfbrother can be designated with the same expression, "frate vitreg", so I assumed wrongly that in english it would be the same situation.
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Leena responded on 10 May 2009

Advaita On the ex-MISA forums, there is a girl who has been with the Movement since the beginning and worked at the "little house", in the kitchen. She wrote about what you asked, she said that she knows girls have been sent to sleep with various politicians in exchange for some favours - for example, the establishment where MISA's library in Bucharest is located. She also said she saw the shelves where Grieg used to keep bottles of fine and expensive drinks, used as bribe. reptilian I'm smiling... Has anyone ever succeeded in making you keep things for yourself? Let them search for themselves, why feed Internet trolls?
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Leena responded on 10 May 2009

reptilian Do you have that compilation of political information in Romanian as well? It would be great.
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OBSERVER responded on 10 May 2009

BOY OH BOY ANJELICA, YOU REALLY OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS EXPOSING CECILIA GHITELESCU, SHE IS SO STIRED UP THAT SHE IS NOW CALLING HERSELF REPTILLIAN WHICH IS REALLY QUITE A CHANGE FROM LEENA,NEMESIS ETC.AND ACTUALLY MORE SUITABLE .NOW THAT HER EXPOSURE IS OUT IN THE OPEN ITS PROBABLY BETTTER TO LET HERE HAVE THIS SITE TO HERSELF AND HERE ALTER EGO'S. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BRINGING BALANCE AND OUTING HER. I LOOK FORWARD TO TRAVELLING TO SWEDEN SHORTLY RETURNING IN OCTOBER. THERE WILL BE AN INTERESTING VISIT HERE IN NOVEMBER. WELL CECELIA GHITELESCU OVER TO YOU, CONTINUE TO WASTE TIME AND ENERGY WITH YOUR SLANDER CAMPAIGN TILL YOUR HEART IS CONTENT.
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

Some older post for those that have forgotten: Andrew responded on 27 August 2007 Mood Dates of a uk visit by bivolaru will be announced shortly. an opportunity to ask questions and look beyond the negative propergander above,put out by romanian state. YOGI responded on 31 August 2007 Mood PLEASE POST DATES AS I WISH TO ATTEND ANY SEMINARS OR TALKS IN UK. I HAVE ATTENDED A SEMINAR IN SWEDEN AND IT WAS GREAT.MISA ARE GENUINE SINCERE AND WORTH ATTENDING. Martin responded on 08 November 2008 Mood Luke ,can you please inform us of any forthcoming uk dates ,I visited the swedish branch and heard lots of talk about a uk visit and also the possibility of a small branch opening in london at some point. unfortunatly no positive confirmation yet.
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

After the above mentioned posts there was a pause in posting on this thread. From august 2007 till february 2009 nobody, not even Mood, who made the first announce, posted exact information regarding the great event - Griegs visit to London in 2007. As you all can see, OBSERVER (who, what a coincidence :D) loves to write as an old "friend" of exmisa people - YOGI -) uses now the same maneuver : the visit of GB in the UK. I can not understand why he thinks this would impress somebody. If you investigate in this matter you will see that on the official site of TARA they wrote nothing about a visit of the master since august 2007. So, cut the crap OBSERVER!
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

OBSERVER, EVERYBODY NOTICED HOW YOU ADDOPTED ANGELICA'S POINT OF VIEW ALTHOUGH SHE PRESENTED NO PROOF. IT SEAMS YOU LIKE GOSSIPS. IF YOU (AS ANGELICA) ADVICE PEOPLE TO GET INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE SOURCE, WHY DON'T YOU PRACTICE THIS YOURSELF? DID YOU PERSONALLY MET THAT CECELIA GHITELESCU (CECILIA GHITULESCU - ACTUALLY CECILIA TIZ -)? DID YOU CHECK DIRECTLY IF NEMESIS, LEENA, REPTILIAN AND MAHACUTRA ARE THE SAME PERSON? ANYONE READING HERE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POSTS OF A NATIVE SPEAKER, A ROMANIAN PROFFESIONAL CONCERNING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ... AND SOMEBODY WHO LEARNED ENGLISH BY WATCHING TV. DON'T FORGET TO SEND US PICTURES FROM YOU AND BIVOLARU WHEN YOU GET BACK FROM SWEDEN. ONE BEFORE AND ONE AFTER THE INITIATION, PLEASE. SO WE CAN SEE WHAT A BIG SPIRITUAL LEAP IT MEANT TO YOU. :P
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spook responded on 11 May 2009

I have to notice that while some users discuss real issues related to MISA and Bivolaru, the MISA adepts are only busy discussing other users and being paranoid about their identities. This is so typical! As soon as someone tells some truth about MISA that they don't like, they start attacking the persons and never reply to any questions related to the facts presented by them. Angelica and observer, you are full of crap! You are just blowing smoke to distract people's attention from the real issues. I personally believe that Leena, Mahacutra, Nemesis and Reptilian are four different persons, but even if they weren't, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? Does this make Bivolaru less of a pimp, Mihai and Adina less of some porno stars, the MISA strippers less of sex-workers and the MISA web-cam girls less of cyber-prostitutes? Of course not! And the human trafficking trial will go on in Romania, despite all of your evil black magic meditations and all of your efforts to delay it. I truly hope that there will be some justice in the end!
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

The evolution of the MISA case until now pointed out to a perplexing occurrence of a worrying pattern: any individual or organization daring to signal the wrongdoings of MISA and the incompatibility between the idea of a yoga school with the core sex-business related activities of this organization (worth mentioning examples are Mr. Shri Yogacharya Ajita, Mr. Seppo Isotalo, the former MISA president Claudiu Trandafir and lately ExMISA forum users who have revealed their identities) is aggressively attacked and accused on fabricated grounds. The MISA leaders brought in far-fetched "revelations" about everyone who has come forth and signaled the things that are not in accordance with the practices of a real spiritual organization. Briefly, these "revelations" published on the official MISA website and on Mihai Stoian's blog are:
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

- To Shri Yogacharya Ajita, after he summoned MISA to renounce their doubtful sex-business and after MISA was expelled from the IYF, in a letter from Mihai Stoian "What you say here is definitely not the attitude of a spiritual person, but rather the attitude of a person full of resentments, showing even a certain amount of stupidity. After all the explanations I gave (and you could have asked for more clarifications if you feel needed) you must be lacking some intelligence since you make such limping reasoning and indulge yourself into such a state of spiritual prostitution. What interests are you serving, Ajita, when you make such accusations?" - To Mr. Seppo Isotalo, after he published the above-mentioned article -- was accused of making sexual passes on a female MISA teacher. You can find the post on the finnish forum and on exmisa ro. - To Mr. Claudiu Trandafir, former MISA president, after deciding to leave MISA and writing an open letter explaining his reasons for leaving -- was rumored to have been an agent of the Romanian Secret Services and has been declared a traitor. An article on this matter is on yogaesoteric. You can let google translate it for you. - To the exMISA forum users in articles published on the MISA websites are denounced as being in fact Romanian Secret Services agents, paid to slender MISA on the internet. You find the translation on exmisa ro forum.
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mahacutra responded on 11 May 2009

Let me just say, for fairness' sake, that the exMISA forum users were as appalled as most of the Romanian audience seeing the way the Police action in March 2004 took place and the abuses some of the MISA students were subject to. Nevertheless, we have to point out the fact that the forceful Police intervention in 2004 was not caused by the MISA yoga practice, nor by their spiritual beliefs. The existence of several yoga and spiritual organizations that do not have any problems with the Romanian justice, police, media or public opinion and who conduct their spiritual practice and follow their spiritual beliefs in peace, in Romania, is one of the facts supporting the above statement. The Police action was a consequence of the illicit activities of the MISA leaders and some of its students.
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nemesis responded on 11 May 2009

Thanks to all for so many interesting and revealing posts! Just as an aside, I would like to share something in the form of some book recommendations that I think will be helpful to former MISA members. I have only read these books in the English language and I do not know if they are available in other languages, but they are definitely worth checking out if you can get them. The books are memoirs of people's experiences of being initiates with a cult. Not MISA, but a cult predating it, the orange people, the followers of Rajneesh later known as Osho. I knew a few "orange people" back in the 80s and I found them to be intelligent, likable people. I was mystified by why they should give up so much to wear orange clothes and follow a guru. The few female orange people (they called themselves sanyassins) I knew all told me that they were either selling sex or that their fellow sanyassins had recommended that they do so, to raise money for Rajneesh's ashrams. One who I got quite friendly with didn't want to sell sex and was not forced to do so but complained of being constantly pressurised to do so by her peers. That lady was "relocated", possibly because she was becoming too friendly with me and other non sanyassins, although I cannot be certain about this. As an outsider from MISA it seems to me that this confidence trick of using the concept of sexual excitement and karma yoga to enslave people, either in hard manual labour or in sex work is an old one.
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nemesis responded on 11 May 2009

I warned a friend (a yoga teacher in her 60s who works with vulnerable people) about MISA and her reply was something like "oh no, not the same old tantric initiation / karma yoga con again! Are people still falling for that old chestnut?" This con is, it seems, as old as the hills. It seems likely to me that MISA is just a better organised and more efficient version of many who have gone before. People caught up in it would do well to learn from the experiences of those who have gone before and it is with this in mind that I recommend the following books: The Promise of Paradise: A Woman's Intimate Story the Perils of Life With Rajneesh; Satya Bharti Franklin. I found this book to be especially helpful re understanding the recruitment / grooming process. Bhagwan: The God That